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Xerxes Voshmgir : So, hi, here’s Xerxes, and today I’m here with Bobbi Bidochka.

It’s great to have you.

You’re Bobbi.

Bobbi Bidochka: Thanks.

My pleasure.

Xerxes Voshmgir : And yes.

Xerxes Voshmgir : could you please introduce yourself and tell us who you are.

Bobbi Bidochka: sure.

So my name is Bobbi and Bobbi Bidochka: I’m a multipotentialite and

someone who just gets themselves involved in a multitude of projects.

Bobbi Bidochka: I’m tech by day and, Bobbi Bidochka: imagination.

Imagine ideation by night, Bobbi Bidochka: which is like a connector, rethinking,

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, human interactions type of type of, Bobbi Bidochka: consulting work.

Bobbi Bidochka: I’m a writer.

Bobbi Bidochka: I’m involved in human impact lab.

Bobbi Bidochka: just kind of do a bunch of things that hopefully,

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, move the world forward in a better way.

Xerxes Voshmgir : And, Xerxes Voshmgir : so please tell us why do you do what you do.

Bobbi Bidochka: it’s, it sounds a bit cliche, but it’s really about impact.

Like what I’m, what I’m looking to do is just do things that go a bit

beyond just helping people, but you know, really actually have, have the

opposite, the chance that can change paradigms or change the way that.

Bobbi Bidochka: systems operate or, Bobbi Bidochka:

influence, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, major decision making.

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, that’s the, the ultimate goal and some of work on that incrementally

up, up until, but the idea is, is to do things that kind of make the world a better place.

Xerxes Voshmgir : And, Xerxes Voshmgir : you do this in various different

jobs, in various different positions in various different products.

Bobbi Bidochka: yes, exactly.

Yeah, so it’s just going to try to hit it, you know, hit it on on all fronts.

Xerxes Voshmgir : And would you like to give us some, Xerxes Voshmgir : background on that?

Bobbi Bidochka: Sure.

So, Bobbi Bidochka: I mean the, during the day I worked for a tech company and their,

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, their, their main business is getting more research out of, out

of universities, Bobbi Bidochka: and out into the world that can have a greater impact.

Bobbi Bidochka: big, big technology’s not, you know, not just apps or anything like that, but,

Bobbi Bidochka: No.

Also, so my, my business this is about, Bobbi Bidochka: how to.

How can we connect people better?

You know, a lot of people go to events or conferences and sort of leave a bit,

Bobbi Bidochka: want wanting more, didn’t really get to the people that they wanted to get to.

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, a lot of the content that’s at conferences

for the most partner is content that you can get anywhere.

I mean, it’s, it’s available out there.

Bobbi Bidochka: so people are really going more, Bobbi Bidochka: for the, for the relationships.

And so.

I find that a lot of, a lot of these types of events, Bobbi Bidochka:

you know, not everybody’s a natural networker, not everybody.

Bobbi Bidochka: those how to find the right people in the room and, and

build those relationships that actually has something meaningful afterwards.

Bobbi Bidochka: And two, just general introductions and connections through, through people.

Bobbi Bidochka: facilitating those people who, who need some help or, Bobbi Bidochka:

you know, just have an offering and, and who, who can, who, how can I connect better?

How can we connect better with people?

Bobbi Bidochka: so that’s, that’s a big part of the business there.

And, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, my book, sex and business is, Bobbi Bidochka: You know, you might

not think that, you know, these two words necessarily go together, but they actually really do.

Bobbi Bidochka: and this book is really meant to, Bobbi Bidochka: it’s a reaction, my reaction

from the me too movement, but really, Bobbi Bidochka: I talk a lot about, Bobbi Bidochka: I’m

kind of calling into question how people form identity, Bobbi Bidochka: and the usefulness

or not of, of these identities and how they impede or impact, you know, how we react.

Bobbi Bidochka: To certain things like the me too movement

and feminist movements and, and all these kinds of things.

Bobbi Bidochka: there’s also, Bobbi Bidochka: how people approach sex, not as intercourse.

That meaning, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, all of the

other benefits of sort of come from, from sexual energy.

Bobbi Bidochka: They can actually positively impact your business or

your career is you can channel these, Bobbi Bidochka: these energies and,

you know, their, their flow triggers, Bobbi Bidochka: things like that.

And so just people, I think they’re trying to like cut the whole sex relationship

thing like right out of the workplace, which is possible because you cannot find

biology, Bobbi Bidochka: and better to leverage the positive side of things.

Bobbi Bidochka: And so there’s a lot of discussion about power

relations and, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, and all that kind of stuff.

So that’s, Bobbi Bidochka: that’s, I think quite paradigm shifting entirely.

Bobbi Bidochka: because people really have like, sex is

both, is like what Foucault talks about, sex is both.

Bobbi Bidochka: Like, whoever controls the conversation,

Bobbi Bidochka: has the power over the topic.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so, you know, sexist, both taboo and yet

talked about in everything, every music, every video, every movie.

It’s, it’s everywhere.

And yet people, you know, so this is very interesting dichotomy.

And, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, when all those topics come into play, like.

Like, you know, #metoo.

Movement or anything else actually that’s, you know, really matters.

People tend to take a binary point of view, which, Bobbi Bidochka:

I think is like the wrong approach to almost everything.

You know, there’s a concept called gray thinking, which

is, Bobbi Bidochka: you can have conflicting opinions.

So I can think of.

W two opposite opinions about the same thing.

Bobbi Bidochka: and that doesn’t mean that, that, you know, I don’t stand for something.

It just means like that there’s, it’s, I would, I would argue that it’s

almost nearly impossible to fully have a binary point of view on anything.

Bobbi Bidochka: but I think people grab onto that because it attaches to identity.

So there’s, so that’s, Bobbi Bidochka: That’s pretty interesting to me.

And then also, Bobbi Bidochka: human impact lab, which, Bobbi Bidochka: we’re sort of in the

middle of transitioning what we’re going to do with it, but it was, Bobbi Bidochka: it originally

started as a climate, Bobbi Bidochka: sort of awareness, Bobbi Bidochka: type of group.

Bobbi Bidochka: but we’d like to.

Bobbi Bidochka: so to transition into doing, you know, more meaningful, practical projects that

involved anything we, the criteria is we will basically help businesses or ideas move forward

so long as they have some type of positive impact to the world, to humans or what have you.

Bobbi Bidochka: so it’s, it’s pretty broad, the, the scope right now.

Bobbi Bidochka: but we just feeling, want to take more action.

Bobbi Bidochka: On that on four, on furthering different ideas and concepts.

So yeah, that’s how all of that is kind of manifesting right now.

Xerxes Voshmgir : So they are doing really well.

Lot of things and different things.

I think Xerxes Voshmgir : between the first and the second, I Xerxes Voshmgir :

side connection in the sense of identity and connection perhaps.

Xerxes Voshmgir : I’m not sure if it’s the same with the third project.

Xerxes Voshmgir : let’s go maybe into the first one.

We’ll talk like to talk about all of them a bit at least.

So.

Especially now when it comes to the first project that you talked about where it is

about events, so you organize events or you, Xerxes Voshmgir : all can understand it.

Xerxes Voshmgir : you consult on how to organize events, what is it, what you’re doing there.

Bobbi Bidochka: all of it.

So we organize events.

Bobbi Bidochka: so we can do the whole term key start to finish thing.

Bobbi Bidochka: but what we don’t just.

Bobbi Bidochka: Like, set up a venue and bring food and sell tickets, and that’s that.

It’s, it’s a much more involved process.

The events that, that we like to participate in are ones

where you’re bringing a lot of different stakeholders.

Usually the content is a bit more meaty, Bobbi Bidochka: maybe the

academic nature or just something a little bit more substantial.

Bobbi Bidochka: And also, you know, sitting down with our partners, just working

out in quite an advance what it is that you want to achieve with this event.

So it’s, it’s, it’s really thought through, Bobbi Bidochka: and then

you come up with what the outcomes that you really want to have.

How will we achieve those?

How are we gonna measure that?

Bobbi Bidochka: and then how do you.

You know, tell this story throughout.

You know, everything needs to be weaved in.

Like the catering, the venue, the content, everything that people

are seeing and doing, Bobbi Bidochka: needs to tell the same story.

Bobbi Bidochka: so this is very much the experience.

Bobbi Bidochka: And the transformation, like the idea here

is if people are coming, they’re going to be transformed.

And I don’t mean like in a religious way.

I mean, like they’ve come to learn and experience.

And even just by a Moses, by being in the environment, they are absorbing the messaging.

They are, they are, Bobbi Bidochka: learning something.

So this is, this is the idea.

Bobbi Bidochka: From start to finish, but we also consult with people.

We, Bobbi Bidochka: help facilitate introductions.

Bobbi Bidochka: how smaller meetings.

Sometimes the meetings are, are small.

We’re just working out, helping people, whiteboard ideas, Bobbi Bidochka: things like that.

Bobbi Bidochka: and yeah, I mean, right now it’s, it’s, we cannot meet physically so.

You know, one might think that that impacts the business and it does to a certain extent.

But, Bobbi Bidochka: there’s, Bobbi Bidochka: we’re noticing there’s still quite a lot can be done.

And I, I’m surprised actually at how well, Bobbi Bidochka: I am

still able to sort of make friends and make connections digitally,

Bobbi Bidochka: and get to know people and feel like, wow, I’m somehow this.

That thing that, that needs to happen, sort of face to face is happening virtually.

Bobbi Bidochka: I think it’s, it’s really interesting.

I mean, maybe it has to do with the fact that people are a

little bit, Bobbi Bidochka: less guarded, you know, their home.

Maybe they have their pajamas on, you know, people are seeing their kids, their cats and whatever.

And so there’s a bit, maybe it’s just.

That is allowing the connection to happen despite not being,

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, I’m a huge proponent of face to face.

Anybody I can have a meeting with, I don’t want to have a phone call.

It’s like the worst way I really want to be in front of someone.

I really want to like get close.

And there’s actually, Bobbi Bidochka: neuroscience that, that, that, you

know, scientifically proves like when you, you and I are sitting beside each

other and we’re like super engaged and we’re talking that our brains actually.

Like, literally start to sink.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so of course, you, you miss that.

Bobbi Bidochka: virtually and like, I feel it when I have a

really great connection and meeting someone, I’m like, I feel it.

This is why.

And this feeling is why that sort of drives me to help people

do better networking and help people have better events.

Because this to me is like magic.

There’s like nothing gets my blood pumping and my.

Oh, the chemicals flowing better than like Bendis.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so, you know, if you can just amplify that and, and maximize

and make more and optimize, then this is like, this is what we should be doing.

Xerxes Voshmgir : So, Xerxes Voshmgir : w w we be very interested in what

your take is now with the current situation when it comes to exactly that.

Events where people connect and perhaps even connect on a deep basis.

Get to know each other.

Start to talk about new things, create new projects and so on and so forth.

Xerxes Voshmgir : I personally work as a speaker as well,

and, Xerxes Voshmgir : for me, really, this is a big question.

How will the future of events be?

Will there be events.

And how will they be?

Will there be more virtual events and so on and so forth.

So I’m sure you have thought about this in the last couple of weeks a lot.

And what projection do you have or what ideas do you have, and would it

be possible, in your opinion, to create similar types of deep connections.

Although people do not meet in person.

Bobbi Bidochka: I think, Bobbi Bidochka: so I have, Bobbi Bidochka: a few opinions about that.

It’s, I mean, definitely the events industry itself, it will change.

Bobbi Bidochka: it will change because now that everybody’s

sort of been forced online, now there’s systems set up.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so once.

Once people realize that, Oh, you know, we can kind of run this event or

do certain things online where they probably were thinking of that before.

But, Bobbi Bidochka: now it’s getting a bit, you know, embedded.

So people are getting used to it.

People are doing it.

They’re sort of breaking out some of the kinks.

Bobbi Bidochka: and this will go on through the next year or so.

Like up until.

For sure.

Up until there’s a vaccine, and this is like really

sorted out this, this will go on like this for a while.

Bobbi Bidochka: having said that there, there will still

be, Bobbi Bidochka: In person events in the future.

What I think will happen, it’ll, it’ll look like, like there’s

certain events that are, have a really hard ticket to go to.

Bobbi Bidochka: and people fly, you know, from all over the

world to go to certain events and so they can get rather costly.

Bobbi Bidochka: so I think what some of those bigger events will do

is they’ll do like a hybrid, so they’ll have an in person version.

Bobbi Bidochka: I also think and hope that people like zoom or other companies

are trying to come up with a better product that will facilitate that.

Bobbi Bidochka: as a.

Massive shifts.

I completely think that there will be no massive shift in people.

Is it the, you know, like the way the events, we’ll do this hybrid thing.

It’s, it’s just because now they’ve found a new revenue stream and, and

they’ve been forced to sort of put it into, into, into operation now.

So why not continue and make money off of it later?

Bobbi Bidochka: I don’t think that there’s going to be any

major shift in how humanity operates after two to three years.

Once the market bounces back and everybody’s kind of got back to normal, people

will forget about this like two, three months hanging out at home for the most part.

This is not enough to affect change, right?

It’s this is, there are some people who are suffering.

There are some, like frontline workers are seeing things

on a daily basis that, you know, they can never unsee.

But I would say for, for most part, from most people in the Western world.

What, what am I doing?

I’m just hanging out at home.

Like I’m not seeing any tragedy.

I’m not like this, this, that’s pretty hard to, Bobbi Bidochka: affect massive change in

people’s mindsets on how they think about the environment or how they think about the economy.

When I had to do was just hanging out at home.

Two, three months, like it’s just not enough.

So it’s, I, my prediction is after two to three years,

people will, they, this will just be a blip on as, Oh, yeah.

Remember when that was weird.

Huh?

Bobbi Bidochka: and then they will continue on with their capitalist, Bobbi Bidochka: endeavors.

And we will have both fully smogged to China and, Bobbi Bidochka: no changes in recycling practices.

Like, it’s just.

That’s my prediction.

Xerxes Voshmgir : Okay.

Bobbi Bidochka: Yeah.

I’d love, I’d love to say, Oh man, anything we’re going to do, the Rogan is linked better people

and, and we’re going to start addressing mental health better because of all of this and yeah.

I know we won’t.

Bobbi Bidochka: Going to take a lot more than that.

Xerxes Voshmgir : I hope it’s not like this.

Xerxes Voshmgir : I think it really depends on, Xerxes Voshmgir : How bad it will still get.

I mean, I don’t think three months staying at home makes

a big change, but let’s see what happens with the economy.

Bobbi Bidochka: Yeah,

Xerxes Voshmgir : I think that that’s, that will, I personally think that will make a difference.

If, if the economy, is it really hard or if it’s just another recession and I

think if it’s really hot, there might be chance for too deep transformation.

This is my personal opinion.

Bobbi Bidochka: Yeah.

I think like,

Xerxes Voshmgir : fully with you.

Bobbi Bidochka: yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s on an individual level.

People can make their, their change and I, people are, are,

there’s, there’s no doubt that there’s the hunger to do that.

If you take a look at the transformation economy, Bobbi Bidochka: and how much money and time people

put into that, there’s definitely a desire to do that, but systematically, Bobbi Bidochka: and like.

Habitually, it’s you with, you’ve got to really have something

hit you hard as a society to make a massive change in a quick way.

Like things happen incrementally over time.

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, I mean, think about there was no such

thing as recycling or what have you, 2030, 35 years ago, but.

Bobbi Bidochka: to make, to effect a massive change for an entire society or

country or a nation, or, you know, whatever you want to call your collective.

Yeah.

You really gotta have like something that hits you hard.

Yeah.

Xerxes Voshmgir : And I personally think it’s not the corner virus.

I think it could be what comes after the Corona virus,

but this is what I wanted to see before, basically.

So I’m with you when, when you say absolutely.

If you 100% just staying at home for three months.

Yeah, we’ll think back to that.

But it really depends on how hard the, the economic crisis will hit.

And I think this is perhaps the biggest chance for us as

a humanity to initiate a big transformational process.

But this would only happen if, if we are talking about a bigger

crisis, and then in the 1930s I’d always see if it, if it does happen.

Then this is one of the biggest chances for humanity.

And if it doesn’t happen, I mean, there will be a lot of, Xerxes Voshmgir : painful losses

in many ways and a lot of poverty and problems for many people and so on and so forth.

But at the other end, I think it would be major chance for

humanity to make, make a shift towards another system, basically.

Bobbi Bidochka: I mean, it’s kind of, it’s the irony of it all where you, Bobbi Bidochka:

I mean, maybe it’s a bit controversial to say, but you don’t want to wish for tragedy,

but at the same time, it’s like, you know, that’s what’s going to take to affect change.

So it’s like, do you, it’s like with kids, do you want to, if it keeps saving

them from their fault, they sort of never really learned from the pain.

Xerxes Voshmgir : Exactly.

And it’s like in every one’s personal life because, Xerxes Voshmgir : We

as people, as individual people, we usually only change if we saw some

Xerxes Voshmgir : had some major painful experience in our comfort zone.

Most people don’t change.

So I’m absolutely with you.

Xerxes Voshmgir : I personally think we have two major challenges in this decade, at least.

One is, Xerxes Voshmgir : the climate crisis, or I would actually say

the environmental crisis because I don’t think it’s just the climate.

Xerxes Voshmgir : and the other thing is artificial

intelligence and how it is a challenge to us as, as humanity.

In the sense of that it Xerxes Voshmgir : raises the question what it means to be human.

So I, I personally think that is that these are the two major challenges.

So, and now we have this crisis through the kroner pandemic.

And that at least one of these two crisis might be actually also really affected.

And that’s the climate in the environmental issue,

Xerxes Voshmgir : through the, this pandemic as well, indirectly.

Bobbi Bidochka: Oh yeah.

Xerxes Voshmgir : maybe you want to give us some more background on

these projects that you’re working on or what you’re doing, if you can.

I don’t know in which stage they are, if you.

Are able to talk about the project, so at least what’s

the aim is and in which direction it generally goes.

Bobbi Bidochka: I mean, for human impact lab, it was, it was, it

started out as, Bobbi Bidochka: environmental and climate change,

Bobbi Bidochka: focused and they had like a ticker going on their websites.

Bobbi Bidochka: sort of counting down to particular time when,

I don’t know it’s going to be too late or something like that.

This was before my time.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, but then.

Sort of the, the leadership, Bobbi Bidochka: they ended up going working on different

projects and so with one of the original founders, now I’ve joined up with him,

Bobbi Bidochka: Paul some-odd and, Bobbi Bidochka: we’re going to try to sort of

take it in, Bobbi Bidochka: take it to the next level by, Bobbi Bidochka: like I

said, you know, taking on different projects that have, have some kind of impact.

Bobbi Bidochka: we’re super excited about the direction that’s going to go.

Bobbi Bidochka: And you know, when you think about a circular economy, Bobbi Bidochka: that

both feeds in, Bobbi Bidochka: with, Bobbi Bidochka: two environmental aspects as well.

Bobbi Bidochka: and that also connects to, you know, more local supply chain and things like that.

So I think it’s, you know, that could be interesting.

We could figure out a decent model on how that could be,

Bobbi Bidochka: implemented in a, in a rather quick way.

Then that’s something, you know, a toolkit can be built in.

Other, other places can replicate that, Bobbi Bidochka: with any hope.

Bobbi Bidochka: and sort of, we need to run these two.

These two, Bobbi Bidochka: infrastructures at the same time, like they’re people, people

can’t afford necessarily to always, there’s a reason why not everybody shops organic.

Bobbi Bidochka: because it’s more expensive and it’s more

expensive because of, you know, labor laws in certain countries.

So that, that’s going to be an in a hurdle, Bobbi Bidochka: to.

To overcome in different kinds of ways.

Bobbi Bidochka: so there’s that.

And then, you know, sustainable farming that’s, you

know, both a health concern and an environmental concern.

Bobbi Bidochka: so figuring out how to kind of adjust that because, Bobbi Bidochka:

you know, the meat production is one of, if not the biggest contributor to greenhouse.

Or carbon emissions.

Bobbi Bidochka: so, you know, that’s an issue too.

Bobbi Bidochka: and yeah, I mean, it all connects there,

but for the AI thing, that’s, that’s super interesting.

I mean, so I work for a tech company, and so I’d say a good three quarters of, of the team.

Tech companies that we’ve recently started have an AI, Bobbi Bidochka: component to them.

Oh, though AI is not as a real thing as people think it is in their imaginations.

Like it’s more still really at the machine learning, deep learning stages.

AI is, is.

the way that people envision AI who don’t have a tech background isn’t really where it’s at.

Bobbi Bidochka: now I don’t think people need to be too

concerned about robots taking over the world in any, any time.

Most, especially because, like you said, the AI.

We are, we are machine learning.

And AI is only as good as the, how we train it.

And so there’s, Bobbi Bidochka: a woman I know, she’s has a chat bot company in California,

and they’ve done a pretty massive study of, of, Bobbi Bidochka: how people treat chatbots.

And so every, all the communication that you have

with the chat bot then teaches the chat bot, right?

So as we use it, it, it learns.

The problem is, is that most of the time we are abusing chatbots.

We are abusing Siri.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so it’s.

The, the sheer amount of abuse that we, Bobbi Bidochka: display to our, our digital counterparts,

I guess you could call them, is, is a, Bobbi Bidochka: disturbing reflection of humanity, in fact.

So, you know, we’d like to think that we are civilized and you know.

Respectable, nice people, but the data doesn’t show that.

So that’s a bit of a concern.

Bobbi Bidochka: just as just normal.

You don’t daily behaviors, nevermind trying to teach humor and other types of things to, to machine

learning is, is there’s a lot of parts of the human that will be very difficult to, to train.

Xerxes Voshmgir : my

TEDx

talk I

also talked about the rules and the paradigms that we.

Put a program into artificial intelligence.

I personally compared to like the 10 commandments, Xerxes Voshmgir : we, humans are

usually say we Aquinas by our religions, even if we’re not religious, because we grow up

in societies, that culture is basically in continuation of a process, a societal process.

Xerxes Voshmgir : over a certain amount of time.

And a few culture’s a few thousand years old, a few cultures, maybe a few hundred years old.

And usually the rules and the paradigms were always defined by religion.

So even if I’m not a religious person, even if I’m an atheist,

still I’m coined by the my society that I’ve, I’ve grown up with.

So with this background, I always say the rules and the

paradigms that we program into the AI or train AI with.

Is basically what the result of artificial intelligence is.

Do, do you see it is basically what you said, just like what I’m reflecting now, or

Bobbi Bidochka: is.

I mean, you’re, you’re right.

It’s, it’s the, I mean, if you even look at just Google, Bobbi Bidochka: Google searches

and how people, so anything that gets programmed is programmed from a bias point of view.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so if for the, for the longest time the people who are

doing the programming were white Christian males, and so that those systems

got set up to reflect, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, when you’re, when you make a

connection, when I say doctor, you think white men, when you say nurse, you think.

White woman, you know?

And so there’s teacher all these because it’s all about connections, right?

So they have to keep making all these words connect to one another,

Bobbi Bidochka: in the way that they think that people think.

Bobbi Bidochka: so that when you type in something,

you get back the results that you’re looking for.

Bobbi Bidochka: and it’s, it’s the same for everything.

So all of the.

The way that all the data gets input in the way that

things get programmed are from a biased point of view.

Bobbi Bidochka: and, and it’s, it’s not from malice, it’s just, it’s, that’s just how it is.

And then this will will shift when now we’re doing, Bobbi Bidochka: You know, there’s

a lot of programs that, you know, getting done in China are getting done in India.

And it’s, it’s the same thing.

So they will have their biases that gets, gets, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, put into the system.

Bobbi Bidochka: and it, it will all reflect.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so it’s, it’s, it’s true that whatever

you’re sort of brought up with in your, your belief systems will.

This shows up in data is not neutral.

Bobbi Bidochka: there is no neutral, Bobbi Bidochka: machine learning.

There’s like, they can try their best, but, and having

diverse teams helps, Bobbi Bidochka: helps tremendously.

Bobbi Bidochka: if you can get that from the beginning, but

already a lot of the systems are already built with, with the bias.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so, yeah, it’s, yeah, there’s really no such thing as neutral anyway.

Xerxes Voshmgir : And do you believe that.

It would make a difference for the future.

So, I mean, there is the scenarios that you also refer to before that artificial

intelligence will take over, that people think that we are maybe near to the stage and so on.

Support.

Do you personally think that, Xerxes Voshmgir : how we program artificial intelligence

today, tomorrow will also have an effect how artificial intelligence, if it ever.

Xerxes Voshmgir : which is the point of superintelligence, um, singularity,

however you might want to call it, if that would make, will make a difference.

How we basically, which paradigms, which rules, which

dogmas we programming to them, or do you think it

Bobbi Bidochka: I mean, that’s a big, that’s, that’s a tough one because if

you just look at the United nations, so this is supposed to be, Bobbi Bidochka:

you know, a group of nations coming together to try to agree on certain things,

but getting even any, any type of, you know, declarations or, Bobbi Bidochka:

ratifies, Bobbi Bidochka: throughout, because different people have different,

Bobbi Bidochka: Perspectives is what they think are good and

bad things and right and wrong, and the thing to do, not to do.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so what will happen is the people who say

have power or money will end up being the creators of the system.

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, there’s also this thing, it’s the victors who write history.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so it will be those systems that.

Getting build with those beliefs, Bobbi Bidochka: in them, because those

were the people who had access to do it, to have the money to do it.

Bobbi Bidochka: they, they, they won’t reflect all humans at all times.

And I’m not even sure that that would be a good idea anyways.

It’s what I, what I, I.

I mean, maybe I am both an idealist and a bit of a, I don’t know what to call it.

I mean, so I do believe in construction constructivism,

where, you know, we are creating our own, our own systems.

Bobbi Bidochka: nothing is really set, but at the same time, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, we.

I think we’re under the illusion that we are a civilized society.

And really what keeps us glued together and acting

appropriately is, Bobbi Bidochka: next of religion and law.

Bobbi Bidochka: because if we didn’t have those two systems set up,

it would just result back to, you know, chaos and very analystic.

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, I mean, you could just, you could just look throughout history.

Whenever those two things break down and people just start.

Getting violent and going crazy.

And, and so it’s in us, it’s in us.

And I, I think it’s, if, if we can come to terms and admit that when we’re creating

these types of systems, then we can be more careful about trying to build systems

that reflect some type of morality and ethics in them in the hope, if you can program

that in, Bobbi Bidochka: I mean, how do you CA do you program the animal in us?

But maybe we can program in some higher moral, ethical ground.

Bobbi Bidochka: but it would need to be super intentional because if, if they don’t

do that and they just sort of make a reflection of us without admitting you know, all

of our downfalls, then what you will get is a very nasty, it would be a nasty world.

I think human beings aren’t all that nice.

All the time, unfortunately.

Xerxes Voshmgir : Well, I mean, it is sad.

I don’t know how it is exactly, but I think in the Bible it says.

God has created men and women in the his or her own image.

So this is basically what’s happening with artificial intelligence in a way.

So I wonder from your perspective, Xerxes Voshmgir : what do you think should this

site, how we go forth in this respect, like how we program artificial intelligence.

How long term perspective of developing artificial intelligence should be.

Bobbi Bidochka: Yeah.

Another big question.

It’s, it’s, it’s, Bobbi Bidochka: it’s a bit of a conundrum because.

If one believed in democracy, in, you know, in, in

its best form, that actually is nowhere implemented.

So democracy in an ideal version doesn’t exist, but if it could, it

would be better, Bobbi Bidochka: to be able to survey more people,

Bobbi Bidochka: for input, Bobbi Bidochka: into those types of decisions.

Unfortunately.

Bobbi Bidochka: There’s not enough people who spend enough time educating themselves on

all the aspects, Bobbi Bidochka: for what it would take in order to, Bobbi Bidochka: build

an ethical and, you know, really great system of, of AI or a singularity or what have you.

And so it’s, it’s, you cannot actually rely on, say, the general

public or the masses to make good decisions based on that.

And not because they’re bad, but just because.

Everybody doesn’t have enough information to make an informed decision.

Bobbi Bidochka: I would say that’s the problem with democracy as a whole, and people

who vote don’t actually, Bobbi Bidochka: make informed decisions for the most part.

Bobbi Bidochka: And so this is, this is the issue.

So then what ends up happening is people who do have the money and the

knowledge are ultimately the ones who end up making those decisions.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so it, it, again, it boils down to who’s got the power to do it.

Bobbi Bidochka: and who has the education to do it.

And that’s, that’s how, that’s how it’ll go.

So I don’t know who those people will be.

Bobbi Bidochka: ultimately, but anyone who’s, you have to be

in this, in this year, like it’s one who doesn’t understand.

Bobbi Bidochka: Deep learning and machine learning and data and,

and computer science and, and how all of these things really work.

And I am not that person either.

I cannot claim these are, I’m just, I absorb a lot of information, but I can’t program myself.

Bobbi Bidochka: but so I, I wouldn’t be one who could make an informed decision.

I can give opinions like, yes, please make them moral.

But beyond that, Bobbi Bidochka: Know how do, how does one do that?

I have no idea.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so it’s, it’s those people that will ultimately th there’s no other way.

You can’t ask people how to do things that they don’t know how to do.

It.

Xerxes Voshmgir : so Xerxes Voshmgir : I wonder, like in an ideal world.

From your perspective, Xerxes Voshmgir : less of who’s making those

decisions now, but from your perspective with your background and you have

an eclectic background and perhaps have a very different view on reality

and, Xerxes Voshmgir : the importance of what needs to happen in the future.

Then people who don’t have this type of broad backgrounds and are more experts in one particular

field, but from your personal perspective, in an ideal world, who should make the decisions,

how it goes forward with artificial intelligence and basically the future of humanity.

If you want to see.

Bobbi Bidochka: Well, I mean, it’ll sound a bit elitist, but

I do think that you need a mix of backgrounds and a mix of.

People who think about ethics and people who think about philosophy and people who

are well read and people who are, you don’t necessarily have to be having a PhD.

Bobbi Bidochka: but people who, Bobbi Bidochka: understand and think about humanity,

like you have to be interested in forwarding humanity and sort of in that sphere.

Bobbi Bidochka: So if you want to just call them, like say, field philosophers, Bobbi Bidochka: not

classical philosophers, but just people who philosophize and, and who think about these big things.

Bobbi Bidochka: so big thinkers plus the people who actually can execute.

So you, you need to have people who have grand grand

visions, Bobbi Bidochka: and can actually together.

Collaborate and envision how, how, what a world could be like.

Bobbi Bidochka: and not everybody can do that.

Bobbi Bidochka: and then you also need groups of people who.

Actually can execute on that.

And when you are having those types of discussions with people,

Bobbi Bidochka: then you know, what can be done and what can be done.

Bobbi Bidochka: as far as people who are just funding the project, they

should have no decision-making unless they are one of these two groups.

Bobbi Bidochka: shouldn’t be any buddy political unless you volunteer into one of these two groups.

Like it, it needs to be, Bobbi Bidochka: Yeah, visionaries and experts, a mix from everywhere.

I mean, it doesn’t really matter what is your, what

country you’re from or what religion you’re from.

If you fall into those two camps, like I can’t think of anybody else who would be able to do that.

Well, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, when you’re thinking about, you have to

sort of have a humanities point of view, Bobbi Bidochka: understandings.

All the different sociological, anthropological policy, Bobbi Bidochka: cultural,

like you have to be able to think about all of these things, sort of all the impacts.

Yeah.

Okay.

I don’t know what group you could call these.

I have no idea how you would fix the criteria, but yeah, this is big thinkers, basically.

Xerxes Voshmgir : Okay.

I, Xerxes Voshmgir : would really like to go into the other topic, the book you’re writing,

and basically the topic behind which is a sex and business, is that also the title of the book?

Bobbi Bidochka: That is the title.

Yeah.

Xerxes Voshmgir : So would you like to give us some background?

Elaborate on this book?

Also, why you are writing it, what your perspective is, what your vision is.

Bobbi Bidochka: yeah.

So as I mentioned earlier, it was, it started out as my reaction to the me too movement.

And my reaction was that, Bobbi Bidochka: I was finding that, you know, so there’s real sort of.

Sexual violence, sexual harassment, that’s happening over on

sort of this side of things, which is super important to address.

Bobbi Bidochka: people need to speak up.

People need to be prosecuted.

Like there, all of this is extremely important.

Bobbi Bidochka: at the same time, there’s other sort of stuff over here that.

Bumps up again, so it looks like it, but it’s not it, Bobbi Bidochka: that, that

maybe is like, I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak.

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, biology is, is, it’s, there you, it’s not going anywhere.

People will still, Bobbi Bidochka: meet and like each other.

We spend a lot of time at work and with business colleagues.

Bobbi Bidochka: so, so that’s going to happen.

Bobbi Bidochka: I don’t think that it’s, it’s the

role of the workplace to rate policy out against that.

I, I have, I take issue with, Bobbi Bidochka: some of the reactions

that happened because of it, because some people started to get scared.

Okay, well, I don’t want to have a meeting alone with a woman because what if

something gets said and misinterpreted and then I get in trouble and I’m fired.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so, you know, having, Bobbi Bidochka: a

third party present in a meeting, Bobbi Bidochka: now with.

If you and I are going on a business trip, we’re not

supposed to sit beside each other on the airplane.

We can’t go for dinner because of whatever, and I

just, I’m just adamantly against all of that because.

For me, this impedes my relationship building, so I need to be able to go for,

Bobbi Bidochka: for dinner or for drinks, or if I need to travel with people.

I don’t want to be impeded by any of that.

I’m an adult.

I can make my own decisions.

If somebody is, Bobbi Bidochka: flirting with me and I don’t like it, I have no problem to.

Fix that situation.

I’ve never encountered any, any situation that I couldn’t deal with effectively.

Bobbi Bidochka: at the same time, you know, when you are flirting and you, when you are,

Bobbi Bidochka: discussing with people, it is a, Bobbi Bidochka: there’s something that happens.

Like, so there’s something nice that happens.

Bobbi Bidochka: Sometimes if there’s a bit of an

attraction, then that’s like an energy that you can channel.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so I, I think that that’s a lost opportunity where you can

take that and there’s like, I think it’s called a sex, sexual transmutation,

where you can actually take all of that sexual energy you have and like channel it

into, Bobbi Bidochka: being more creative and having more energy and motivation.

And so you can.

You know, like I said, it’s a flow triggers.

You can get that report, you know, written and blasted out quicker than before.

And so there’s, there’s lots of neurochemicals that that can get ignited.

Um, when you either are even just from flirting or all the way to having sex, you know,

all the neurochemicals Bobbi Bidochka: so there’s like, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, different

types of neurochemicals that get firing in the brain that are really beautiful thing.

And I, I don’t think that people should avoid that.

Bobbi Bidochka: it can help you build your business.

It can help you be more creative.

Bobbi Bidochka: I’m talking about also different types of groups.

Like, Bobbi Bidochka: when I’m talking about feminism and I bring in all this

sort of the infighting within feminism just to draw people to the point that

it’s really not, Bobbi Bidochka: about necessarily about men versus women.

It’s not this gender versus that gender.

Because within, within feminism, there’s plenty of fighting going on.

They don’t all agree on what’s important and the thing to do either.

Bobbi Bidochka: and with men too, I’ve had a lot, hundreds of conversations with guys, and there’s

plenty of competition and fighting within, within, Bobbi Bidochka: you know, males as well.

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, there’s a lot of males who struggle

with their identity, especially these days where, okay, so.

If I’m not the breadwinner anymore, what does that mean for my masculinity?

If I can’t be aggressive and I can’t be assertive,

then I don’t know what it means to be a man anymore.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so they’ve got their own stuff.

So it’s not like it’s a solid group of men and a solid group of women and really fighting for power.

Bobbi Bidochka: and then I talk about power as well.

A lot of the dynamics there are about controlling the conversation and how, you know,

sex has become more, Bobbi Bidochka: Academic in the conversation than anything else.

Bobbi Bidochka: And so when people, that’s why there’s a lot of talk about,

Bobbi Bidochka: different identities and pronouns and things like that.

And so it’s controlled, in a very academic way.

Bobbi Bidochka: and yet, you know, PornHub is the number one visited website in the world.

Like there’s the, the, the sheer amount of money that gets spent,

Bobbi Bidochka: On sex is indicative to the level of importance,

and yet, you know, it’s, it’s somehow like we’re trying to like.

Work, get that out of the workplace, get that out of business.

It’s like, I know.

I don’t see that, how that’s even possible.

Bobbi Bidochka: yeah.

Some talking a lot about different, different things about negotiation, Bobbi Bidochka:

and how, how that sort of goes down historically between men and women and

how women can, and I encourage them to be like, if listen, if you want to be.

A feminine woman and wear skirt and flirt and whatever, like then do that.

And if you want to be that woman that wears a suit and acts like a man,

like do that, it really boils down to choice, like, do what you want to do.

And as long as we’re all making adult decisions, then, Bobbi Bidochka: and dealing with things

in a, in a rational way, Bobbi Bidochka: then I think most of those issues will be solved.

I also think that.

Power is not owned by men.

Men just happened to grab it.

It’s there for everyone to like to take.

Bobbi Bidochka: and I, I think that women sort of, there’s like this

self-talk about society tells women, Oh, well you’re not confident.

Oh, therefore they start acting like not confident.

And I’ve had people come up, Oh, Bobbi, well, that’s easy for you to say.

You’re confident.

I’m not.

Like, well, you’re not, cause you say you’re not, and it has nothing

to do with your gender and everything to do with your personality.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so it’s, that’s, that’s your, your mindset.

It’s not, you can blame your gender, but if, if I am and you’re not,

then that, that just destroys the whole gender thing right there.

Bobbi Bidochka: And then, so people like, okay, well, you know,

you’re, you’re tall and you’re blonde, so it’s easy for you.

I’m like, Hey, no, because there’s some stereotypes about blonde people that are still there.

Bobbi Bidochka: which I don’t care.

Like people can think that, go right ahead.

As soon as you’re going to talk to me, you’re going

to figure out, Bobbi Bidochka: I’m not that stupid.

Bobbi Bidochka: but it’s like there’s someone for everyone.

So, you know, there’s a whole bunch of people who think.

Everybody loves all kinds of people, so there’s always going to be someone who desires you.

Bobbi Bidochka: so you know, don’t worry about that.

There’s, there’s someone for everyone.

And it really, I mean, I know a lot of.

People that maybe aren’t, Bobbi Bidochka: what do you call it?

The beauty standard that a magazine would consider.

But I see them and I just think that they are so incredibly gorgeous

and they have a personality that kinda like, so you just love them.

Bobbi Bidochka: so it really has, has very little to do

with these, these false standards of beauty that, that.

You know, different types of industries portray.

It’s more about the people.

Bobbi Bidochka: yeah.

So it’s, I mean, it’s ultimately about like, let’s just

get real, it’s a real get real kind of a slap in the face.

Bobbi Bidochka: I’m criticizing women, I’m criticizing men, I’m telling women their grade.

I’m telling men their grade.

It’s like, it’s all, here’s all the great things and let’s just like get over ourselves.

Bobbi Bidochka: and, and all of this kind of stuff without, you know, again, it’s.

Still takes seriously these issues over here.

The real, the real.

Lawbreakers this is, that’s a different, I’m not talking about that kind of stuff.

Bobbi Bidochka: and, you know, just the, the great

thinking that I can, I can think two things at once.

Nothing’s binary.

You don’t need to, Bobbi Bidochka: your identity can be flexible.

Don’t let it restrict you.

Bobbi Bidochka: stuff like that.

So that’s basically what the book’s about.

And I, I hope that.

A whole bunch of people like it and then a whole bunch of people hate it because the idea is,

well, there’s going to be a lot of people who really want like a lot of things that I’m saying.

And that’s okay because it’s, it’s, I’m not, I’m not, I’m a PhD.

I’m not a sexologist.

I have an opinion and, Bobbi Bidochka: I hope that it sparks conversation.

If, if nothing else, just.

Just change the narrative of the conversation right now because it’s

very much, Bobbi Bidochka: Taken over by, Bobbi Bidochka: just like,

I don’t, I don’t want people to be walking on eggshells anymore.

Like, Oh, can I, so pre cope and let’s, let’s just step back pre coven, if we’re

in the same room, if you touch my arm or you say something about what I’m wearing.

Are you going to get in trouble?

Like, I just want all of that to just be like, okay, get over it already.

If you want to compliment me, go right ahead.

If you don’t, that’s okay too.

You know, if, if, if you asked me out, I can say no, it’s okay.

Like, and then we can continue on.

It doesn’t need to, we don’t need to make a thing out of everything.

There’s bigger fish to fry.

Xerxes Voshmgir : So basically the way I understand that this, that you’re, you’re right

about, Xerxes Voshmgir : sex in life basically, Xerxes Voshmgir : with the focus on.

Business, but about sex in life.

Xerxes Voshmgir : What it means which role it has taboo around it.

Bobbi Bidochka: yeah.

Xerxes Voshmgir : you talk about male abuse and or how it’s from a position

of male abuse maybe now shifts to a position of female abuse to understand it

Bobbi Bidochka: well, I, I’m not using the word abuse, but it’s.

There’s been, there’s definitely a power shift.

Bobbi Bidochka: as far as controlling the narrative and what,

what I, I, I consider it to be like three camps of people.

So there’s, say the women and men who are, who are talking about the issues that are really salient,

that are really real to sexual harassment, sexual violence, all of this, this is a real thing.

Then there’s the people in the middle who, Bobbi Bidochka: are, are.

Misinterpreting or overblowing certain things like, Oh my

God, he puts his head on my knee and I didn’t know what to do.

And when he could have just dealt with that.

Bobbi Bidochka: and it might not turn into anything.

And you know, if that guy happens to ask out every women that he has,

Bobbi Bidochka: has a meeting with, I mean, yeah, a guy’s got a problem, but,

Xerxes Voshmgir : Maybe it just likes you

Bobbi Bidochka: it could be, or maybe people also, maybe he’s got an issue himself.

Like he feels lonely.

He feels something that you don’t know about and he’s, maybe he’s not going about

dealing with his issues in the right way, but that doesn’t make him a criminal.

Bobbi Bidochka: you know what I mean?

And so.

It’s, it’s, there’s some stuff that’s in the middle.

It’s a little bit messy.

I’m like, I’m not saying that there’s like a silver bullet fix

to this, but I feel like those situations are not the same level.

Bobbi Bidochka: could probably be dealt with better a one on one locally, and you don’t

need to ruin each other’s lives and make a big public thing thing about it necessarily.

Bobbi Bidochka: and then there’s unfortunately another third.

Okay.

These aren’t exact numbers, but.

There’s another section of, of I would say women that are playing the

card when they shouldn’t, Bobbi Bidochka: when they’ve misinterpreted

a situation such as, I have a male colleague, he got the race.

I didn’t, he got it.

Cause he’s a man and I didn’t get it.

Cause I’m a woman when in fact he could be just incompetent.

Like that is a bus ability.

And so it’s, it’s, and then they play, play the card when

they don’t know for sure that that’s really the issue.

Bobbi Bidochka: and or.

They know it’s not that, but they’re playing the card anyways because it’s powerful.

Bobbi Bidochka: and it’s those, that group of people that actually ruin

it for the people over here that are really trying to do real things.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so it’s, so I’m, I’m talking about all of that.

So it’s, I mean, men do their own side of the abuse, which is they are abusing your power.

For the purpose of achieving, Bobbi Bidochka: sex.

And there’s also women of using now this power as a way to, you know, to do whatever.

So it’s, there’s a lot of, there’s.

There’s some of that going on.

I wouldn’t say there’s a lot of it, but there’s too much of it, I guess you could say.

Bobbi Bidochka: and again, it’s just people are just a bit scared and on eggshells.

And I think if we just talk out some of the stuff a

little bit better than we can to get more clarity.

Xerxes Voshmgir : So if I understand correctly, basically you’re

talking about the healthy way to deal with sex in business.

And what sex means in the non, Xerxes Voshmgir : double way and which role it has in

our life and through that automatically in business, outside of abusing the topic, not

necessarily the other person, but the topic, Xerxes Voshmgir : in one way or the other.

Bobbi Bidochka: yeah, exactly.

So it’s approaches.

How we’re approaching this.

Yeah.

Xerxes Voshmgir : Yeah, sounds very interesting.

So when will it be published?

Bobbi Bidochka: well, it’s at the editor right now,

Bobbi Bidochka: The goal is Bobbi Bidochka: soon.

Xerxes Voshmgir : which paradigms do you feel like, think and, Xerxes Voshmgir : would like to

see, to be challenged in your fields of expertise, Xerxes Voshmgir : for humanity in general?

However you would like to, to go forth.

Bobbi Bidochka: Yeah, that’s a good question.

Bobbi Bidochka: I guess it would be, Bobbi Bidochka: a mix of a capitalist point of view.

Like what.

What I see as a problem with, Bobbi Bidochka: I guess Western society right now is it

everybody thinks that they’re entitled to be super successful, Bobbi Bidochka: and have lots

of money, Bobbi Bidochka: and that everyone has the ability and the opportunity to do that.

Bobbi Bidochka: which.

Actually leads to a lot of frustration and stress.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so having this sort of ideal on the plate,

Bobbi Bidochka: we’re sort of, I guess, raised a bit of reason.

My generation was to think, well, you have all the opportunities in the world.

You can do anything you want, et cetera, et cetera.

Bobbi Bidochka: when in fact, you know, globally, that’s just not possible.

Bobbi Bidochka: and it’s also.

Unlikely because if everybody could being, have all this money and have all of this, whatever

you define as success, it would be, Bobbi Bidochka: it just does not how humanity seems to work.

Bobbi Bidochka: Everyone can’t be on this level.

It seems like we are vertically operating.

When you think about even, you know, the animal kingdom or, Bobbi Bidochka: how we classified

plants and all of our biology, it’s all very much a vertical, vertical classification.

So despite the fact that everyone wants to believe.

That we can all be all of this.

I’m not so sure that, Bobbi Bidochka: that’s a achievable or even like a good idea.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so it’s then you, you leave people unsatisfied with a simple life.

Like if someone just wants to do chest this.

They’re kind of made to feel like, well that’s not okay, cause you’re

not, you’re not achieving your maximum potential and you’re not.

You could do all of this.

Bobbi Bidochka: you know, I mean, I think even the same thing happens in religion.

There’s a, there’s everything from someone who just very, almost never does participate

in the religion all the way up to, you know, the most pious, you know, your, your Sufi or.

Your monks everything and like that you should be achieved.

You know, always striving towards the ultimate top enlightenment.

And if you’re not, and somehow like a bad Christian or a bad Muslim or whatever.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so there’s sort of like this weird shaming thing where

it’s like, can we not just find a way to be okay with where we’re at?

And.

And so I fault capitalism ultimately, although there’s really no other, Bobbi Bidochka:

like financial paradigm that I could think of that would work well for all of humanity.

It’s, we’ve, we’ve tried socialism, but I think there’s too much greed.

In, in humans in or in order to actually achieve that in any kind of idealistic type of way.

Bobbi Bidochka: like there’s really just, there’s no utopia.

Bobbi Bidochka: and I’m wondering if, if people could get okay with that.

Bobbi Bidochka: and that social media also doesn’t help with.

All of these types of stories and posts and everything.

Everyone just, it’s a big bragging session of here’s all the great stuff I do.

Bobbi Bidochka: either that or it’s a dumping ground where people are

telling everybody everything about their depression and everything,

and it’s like, I’m not sure that that’s such a good, good thing.

So, I mean, I don’t have a solid answer for your question, but.

Maybe, I mean, capitalism doesn’t, isn’t working.

Like in the long run, it’s just going to keep causing problems.

Bobbi Bidochka: so a financial paradigm shift definitely needs to happen.

And then I think, Bobbi Bidochka: by nature, the environmental paradigm

will shift along with that because those two things are super connected.

Bobbi Bidochka: You know, we’re, we’re overpopulated in most areas.

Bobbi Bidochka: there’s too much of a, of a difference in, Bobbi Bidochka: in equity.

You know, it’s very rich, very poor, lots of four people.

Bobbi Bidochka: there’s really no reason for it, other than people just want to keep their money.

Right?

So it’s.

That’s a, that’s a big question.

It’s, I would start with capitalism.

That would be the, the first thing to start with.

Bobbi Bidochka: and socially, I hope that this social media stuff is a phase.

Bobbi Bidochka: I.

I don’t think social media, as in its current state is very, Bobbi Bidochka: helpful to society.

I would, I would love to see some type of that that’s something that could immediately happen.

I mean, it’s really relatively new and so it could potentially disappear just as quick.

Bobbi Bidochka: but it’s as the way that it’s formed right

now, it’s, I think it’s really detrimental to people.

I don’t know.

What’s your thought on that?

Xerxes Voshmgir : Social media in particular, or everything you

Bobbi Bidochka: The social, well, okay.

Everything but social media in particular.

Xerxes Voshmgir : Wow.

I think how social media is developing is definitely not healthy.

Xerxes Voshmgir : in various aspects.

Xerxes Voshmgir : Well, similar, as you said, at the one

hand, you have a lot of people dumping a lot of things.

At the other hand, you have a lot of people just showing off.

And in any case, it is to a big extent, very simple.

Official, yeah.

Showing a very superficial life, Xerxes Voshmgir : Within social media bubbles, like perhaps

also in real life, there is a true potential of, Xerxes Voshmgir : Of course connecting

in different ways with people, but when we look at social media law, how old is it now?

It’s like 15 years approximately.

When we look at how things evolve and cultures evolve, it’s very young at the very

young stage, and I’m pretty sure that, Xerxes Voshmgir : the stage when it’s 50

Xerxes Voshmgir : That it will be very different in many respects.

So I think it can develop in a good way, but at the moment, really, I think also

when it comes to communication, to politics, Xerxes Voshmgir : to the spread of fake

news, for example, a lot of hatred, a lot of misinformation and so on and so forth.

That’s a major problem.

It’s a big problem.

Xerxes Voshmgir : so that’s all the negative part.

But the basic possibilities through Xerxes Voshmgir : social media, I think they are good.

It’s good

Bobbi Bidochka: Yeah.

I mean, we wouldn’t be talking right now if it wasn’t for social media.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it definitely has, it’s just human beings tend to not, I

wish they use things more for good than for evil, kind of, so to

Xerxes Voshmgir : Exactly when it comes to our current economic system.

Xerxes Voshmgir : I personally think that there’s a reason

why we do have our, we have had the system until now.

Xerxes Voshmgir : capitalism from my perspective has.

Xerxes Voshmgir : been created in a time when there were no corporations.

So the rules that have been defined, the ideas that have been defined for

capitalism, where when one grocery store was competing with another grocery

store, not a organic store around the corner with, Xerxes Voshmgir : Walmart for

Bobbi Bidochka: Yeah.

Xerxes Voshmgir : So, and this is the situation we’re having right now.

Xerxes Voshmgir : As you said, there’s a direct connection

also to the environment and what’s going on in the environment.

I, I personally think that the paradigm of profit maximization has to, and potentially with the

crisis that’s coming up, might be challenged by a paradigm where it’s about creating purpose.

In life.

There is a tool chats.

I believe there is potentially, I mean, my perspective really is if we make

it through this crisis with a system change in many respect, and one of it

is capitalism, not because it is bad, but it’s just not the system anymore.

It’s 200 years old and it’s a.

Not the system anymore that’s suitable for our current times in the future.

So I think what this crisis that I believe is coming up, if it’s hits

us hard enough and if we are forced to make major changes, then we

have a true chance to actually transcend to the next level of humanity.

And that would impute the operating system that.

Our world is run by, and this is basically our economy and capitalism is not the

system that is, from my perspective, is not the system that is suitable in the

world with these environmental problems that we have and not suitable for a world

with exponential technologies that we have right now and the direction it’s heading

Bobbi Bidochka: yup.

Totally agree.

Yeah, no, that’s true.

It’s, I’ve seen a lot of, Bobbi Bidochka: over the last, I’d

say five years, Bobbi Bidochka: what’s called impact investing.

So, and, you know, investors are, are changing their minds on the types of things

that, that they’re investing in where it’s not just about the return anymore.

Bobbi Bidochka: and so I see that growing social innovation.

Social entrepreneurship.

I see that growing a lot, so that’s, that’s definitely good news and this is why I’m involved

in those types of projects, because that’s the kind of thing that I want to move forward.

Xerxes Voshmgir : I would like to ask you a final question, and

it is exactly connected to what you also just said right now.

When you see yourself as a wise old woman in a few decades from now.

And look back to your life, which impact would your life

have had on humanity with your life, with what you have done

Bobbi Bidochka: I want to have had been instrumental in bringing

forth, Bobbi Bidochka: Some technologies that change the world.

Like, I, I want people too.

I don’t necessarily need to get into any books or any kind of like

permanent monuments or anything like that, but that’s not, that’s not true.

But I would like people to sort of look back and say, you know what?

If I never met Bobbi, this never would have happened.

And I would like a lot of people to be able to say, I never met her.

I would never have been able to do that.

Um, so that’s, that’s the type of.

Just amongst people, not, not anywhere, you know, permanent, but amongst people.

I would like people to be able to say that.

Xerxes Voshmgir : Thank you very much.

Thank you for sharing.

Thank you for your time

Xerxes Voshmgir : and I wish you a good day.

Bobbi Bidochka: thank you.