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Welcome to Challenging #ParadigmX.

My name is Xerxes Voshmgir and

the my podcast, I interview people

who challenge the status quo.

Is laughter, perhaps more contagious

than any virus that we know.

And believe me, I’m not joking

when I tell you there are

something like a laughter pandemic.

Don’t laugh.

Have you ever heard of hock induction?

It’s a method in hypnosis to catapult

people into deep trance on an

individual level, but it can also be

used to do this with a whole society.

Is racist response perhaps often

a trauma triggered reaction

to a previous shock induction.

can hypnosis contribute to sexual healing

and help the honor orgasm TAF orgasms?

And did you know that we can

learn new skills and also heal

in our dreams and induce this

possibilities through hypnosis?

My guest today is Albert Nerenberg.

He’s an acclaimed filmmaker and

hypnotherapist, and he’s one of the

world’s leading experts on laughter.

All God has produced a number of

documentaries, including one on stupidity,

one on laughter, and one on nine 11.

The latter initiated his path as

a hypnotherapist, and today he’s

renowned for his TEDx talk on if

hypnosis is real, that has been

watched more than 10 million times.

So if you’re interested in

this topics, stay tuned.

Hi is Xerxes, and today I’m here with

Albert Nerenberg so Albert, I hope you’re

well and, please, introduce yourself

and, tell us who you are, what you do,

Sure.

because it’s great to be here is where

I think I’m, I think one reason why I’m

on this podcast is like I’ve arrived

at a moment in my life where I started

to recognize that I think in paradigms

perhaps like you, and I think that

paradigms are sort of a powerful way of,

of, Of sort of reframing one’s existence.

and, I should explain that.

I am, I started off in career

wise as a journalist working,

as a newspaper reporter.

then was a feature writer and I

became a filmmaker in a weird way.

I was, reporting on a

conflict in Canada involving.

Mohawk.

So Mohawk, our native indigenous

people, Indians, in Canada and there,

there was an armed uprising of Mohawks,

against the police in a particular area.

and there, it turned into a standoff

between the Mohawks and the Canadian army.

And the, my, myself and a photographer,

were able to smuggle a camera behind

the lines, into the Mohawk encampment.

at that time I was reporter, not

a filmmaker, but because I had the

only video camera, in the situation.

I was hired by TV networks all

over the world at that time.

It was a big event.

It was called the Oka crisis.

And, so I became a filmmaker in

that experience, very quickly.

And that’s sort of like,

the story of my life.

I have these sort of weird experiences

that’s changed my life dramatically.

And then I went.

I made an a number of documentaries.

So people, I specialize in paradigm ideas.

So one of them, is a

documentary called Stupidity.

and it’s a documentary I made for

television, which suggests that stupidity

is a strategy in for life that a number

of people, particularly in America.

Use stupidity to their advantage.

I think one would assume that that,

we’re all trying to be more intelligent.

We’re all trying to say smarter

things, but actually I try to

demonstrate that that’s not true.

That that stupidity is far more powerful.

than intelligence and certain certain

ways, and that there’s a kind of

active ignorance and stupidity that

you see, particularly in American

culture, that’s probably a result

of the class divide ultimately.

so that was the sort of first, big

documentary I made and one that

a lot of people know is another

documentary called Laughology.

Which is about laughter.

And again, it was a paradigm because,

it was the first documentary ever

made about laughter, which sounds

outrageous, but there’ve been a

number of many films about humor.

But no one had ever investigated

laughter itself behavior.

And, so that opened up

a whole world for me.

I think laughter is one of the

great civilizing forces for not

just humans, but for mammals.

it’s what makes the world a sort

of happier, more playful place.

And, So in making those films, I

started to realize each of these, the

paradigm, for example, when I made

laughology, I became a laughologist.

I would get hired by, conferences or

events and brought in just to make the

audience laugh without telling jokes.

I would just demonstrate

laughter behavior.

And because laughter is contagious,

even just demonstrating the behavior

will make an audience laugh.

So I actually, for years of my full time

job was laughologist where all I did was

basically demonstrate something that is

innate laughters and innate behavior.

And I would just demonstrate it

in crowds and, and, and I would

explain the history of that.

Some very interesting history.

Famously in Tanzania in 1962 there

was a huge laughter epidemic where.

and could not stop for weeks.

it’s a very interesting event,

and it can be possibly explained

by mass psychogenic illness.

so in the film we explore a lot of

the UN unusual laughter phenomena,

which it turns out the, you know,

the weirdest things about laughter.

Actually, we all share in common.

The weirdest thing about

laughter’s, how contagious it is,

it’s probably the most powerful,

contagious behavior of all of them.

All.

Because when somebody laughs contagiously

there, they are literally in your

brain causing signals to change

so that you laugh along with them.

You can, you can try to stop it,

but it’s a very powerful behavior.

So, as, the sort of last paradigm

that I think has maybe relevant is

as, as a filmmaker, I did, it actually

did a very strange documentary.

I was just assigned to do it.

It was, I found that there was an

interesting pattern of people who

had dreams about the events of

New York 2001, before it happened.

So a lot of people had very clear dreams

where they, let’s say, saw planes flying

into a building or buildings collapsing.

And.

they were, the dreams were notable

enough that they either told somebody,

or in the case of people who were

seeing therapists, they told the

therapist and the therapist wrote it

down, you know, in a book or an a.

And then when the events happened,

there was actually a record where

somebody said, I had this exact dream.

And I had the dream before it happened.

And I had a friend who had that

exact dream before it happened.

And it was a weird experience cause

I had kind of made fun of them.

They had told me they had this dream

about, burning buildings and the two

buildings, twin towers and fires.

And I had said, wow, that’s kind of weird

dream good thing that hasn’t happened.

And then the next day it did.

So to make a long story short, when I

was working on the film because there

was some debate about how people died.

In the actual event, I, watched a

lot of footage, terrible footage

of what happened to people, and

I actually became traumatized.

I think I have a previous

history of trauma.

And, when I saw the imagery, I was

aware that some of it got completely

stuck inside my head, meaning I couldn’t

think without seeing these pictures.

And it gave me a very sort

of bad feeling about life.

And about.

I realized I had developed anxiety

and I happened to just see an ad

online where the ad roughly said

something along the lines of.

Do you have obsessive memories that you

can’t get rid of or intrusive thoughts?

Call this number.

So being a bit adventurous, I

thought, what, what do I have to lose?

And I called this number and

I actually did not even know

what hypnosis was at that time.

This is now about 15, 16 years ago.

And, this guy basically answered the

phone friendly guy and said, I think

I can help you with your problem.

And then in half an hour.

This problem that had continuously

for six months, literally pictures I

could not get out of my mind went away.

It was immediately cured and

they couldn’t believe it.

And so after that, I just sort

of decided I had to learn how to,

you know, I had to learn hypnosis.

Took me a few years and

then that opened up a whole.

Avenue.

I now that’s sort of has brought me here

to your show, where I think that hypnosis

is the area where there are more potential

paradigm shifts almost in anything else.

That sounds very interesting.

And, and, when you called this number

and the period after that, would

you call this the turning point of

your life or was there any other

major turning points in your life?

I think there was a really big,

I think I’ve had a number of

turning points, one of them.

So one of the, yes, in terms of my

ability to heal myself as a human being.

It was the turning point in my life.

I would say that up to then, I

was always becoming more damaged.

And when that happened, I

was able to reverse that kind

of phenomena, that energy.

but I had another one

when I made this film.

Laughology I think it was a similar thing.

And when I, when I made lithology

people always ask me like, why?

Where did you get this idea

to make a film about laughter?

Because laughter is something

hiding in plain sight is

something that we do all the time.

It’s very obvious.

You don’t, nobody thinks, Hey, that,

you know, that weird sound you made.

I’m going to make a documentary about it.

But what happened was interesting is that

I was, I was working in television at the

time doing satirical type TV shows there

were actually a little bit dangerous.

So what we would do is we would

take actors and we put them into

real political situations, usually

in Canada or the United States.

So we’d have fake actors and we’d

often have actors in person eating the

body guards, well-known politicians.

But the problem was we were too good.

And what would happen on an on one one

incident where the prime minister of

Canada was walk, had to walk from one.

Basically room outside to another room

and the real police miss identified our

actors as if they were another group of

policemen and they ordered our actors

to walk because they wanted to show that

they were the more important police.

They ordered our fake police to

escort the prime minister of Canada.

You know, through a hallway

and out the building.

So, which means that the only people

that were protecting the head of state

of our country were these like buffoon

actors that were like friends of mine.

And so when the police realized

what had happened, we were

immediately detained and threatened.

And you know, they

threatened to confiscate our

equipment to put us in jail.

We knew we had endangered people.

I mean, they knew that we

were not malevolent people.

We weren’t trying to hurt anybody.

We just wanted to tell funny jokes.

And after that experience, I remember

thinking that I was looking at my

life thinking, what am I looking for?

Why am I so desperate to create,

to get into these sort of dangerous

situations, you know, for humor.

And, I’ll tell you the

whole, the whole story.

Cause I think it’s funny.

you may know of Tom Green, but Tom

Green is a, you know, he’s a Canadian,

but now Hollywood actor for famous,

for sort of a shock kind of comedy.

And.

His, I think what you saw with Tom

green is he always had to push the

envelope if he, you know, if he threw

poop on people’s faces, you had to

go further the next time, you know.

And, I was reading a magazine

about Tom Green, dry on a shoot,

driving in a car and they came

across a dead moose on the road.

And so Tom Greene told his

film crew to start filming.

You ran out of the car and he stuck

his head up the dead moose, his ass.

This is like a rotting course,

and I remember thinking.

Is this where satire has to go, you

know, is this where I have to go?

And it really, in that moment, I

had an epiphany because I asked

myself, what am I really looking for?

In my mind, I thought it was looking

for the ultimate joke, right?

But the epiphany I had was that the

ultimate joke really is laughter.

It’s not the comedy, it’s not

the, it’s laughter itself.

This common universal shared

wonderful behavior that.

Begins in all humans.

That approximate approximately one

month has virtually no exceptions.

Humor varies from culture to

culture, from person to person.

We all laugh the same way.

And when that, when I had that epiphany,

that was the second big change in

my life that really changed me.

And, and so I was luckily able to then

convince, convince I wasn’t wrong.

In my theory that laughter was hiding

in plain sight because I did a bunch of

research and I found out, Whoa, no one’s

ever made a documentary that explores

laughter, tons on humor, none on laughter.

And when I did, I realized laughter is

like far like a truly amazing thing.

You know, there’s a, there’s an exact

mathematical code for how people laugh.

You can’t mess with the code if you do.

People don’t understand you.

That it’s intensely contagious.

Of course, it has health properties,

strengthens your immune system.

It’s an antidepressant.

It’s free, so that that blew

the doors wide open for me.

So when, when did you do this documentary?

Quite a while.

It was a 2009, but it’s, it’s,

it’s often, it’s now free online.

I’ve, we made it free for a while.

It was, it played in theaters and

then it was like a, you know, on

some TV networks, but I deliberately

wanted to make it, it’s on YouTube.

You can find it there.

Laughology

Okay.

So it was also after, your experience

with, with the hypnotist when you

of kind of the same, yeah, around

the same time, but later I started

to realize it was only later that I

started to take hypnosis more seriously.

And, And this is, I would say it’s a

different ball of wax, and then laughter.

It’s a whole other game.

But yes.

Yeah.

So that’s that.

Those were two big paradigm shifts for me.

It’s not, it’s not the,

it’s not the humor.

It’s the laughter.

That’s a big paradigm for me.

do you see yourself still as a filmmaker

or I, you still infer make it, so

I guess, I guess you, you, you are

thinking also in documentaries when you

think about things that your process.

I

yeah, yeah.

So what documentary, even if you might not

ever gone to do it, but what documentary

are you thinking about right now?

I’m always thinking about a few, but,

like kind of, well, there’s one, there’s

a couple I’m working on, but one I’ve

thought about recently is, is, is,

is the theory of shock inductions.

So I recently did a TEDx in Switzerland.

In hypnosis, there’s basically

two ways to hypnotize people row.

There’s probably more,

but to rough styles.

One style is you simply sit somebody

down with their consent and you.

you ask them to relax and then you

show them a bunch of behavioral

tricks that caused them to relax.

One of them is, slow breathing.

You slow down their pace.

then you create imagery that

might be, might be positive.

This style is called

progressive relaxation.

It’s the typical kind of

hypnosis that you see.

And if you went to a hypnotherapist,

the other kind of hypnosis, which is

not well understood is called, either

snap inductions or shock inductions.

And I think it’s worthy of being a film.

Because it is the way by which we

are often manipulated, culturally.

it might be the way that you

can, you know, that, that

people start wars essentially.

and I’ll explain how it’s done.

Hypnotically so if anyone’s been to a

stage hypnosis show now, it’s interesting.

Traveling around, I find stage hypnosis

has, has different levels of popularity.

Country to country in

America is quite big.

what’s interesting, in some

countries it’s still illegal.

In Belgium, it is illegal to

do public demonstrations of

hypnosis, which is hilarious.

But in most of European countries,

you’re allowed to do it.

But I find just you’re, you’re, it’s

less popular in Europe, but, so what

does, what a shock induction is, is

basically you can, if you sit somebody

down once again and you basically move

them, or, you know, get them to relax

a little bit in about 10 seconds.

By shocking them in a particular way.

You can drop them into what’s

called a somnambulant trance,

which is a very deep trance.

Their eyes roll up in their head.

Their muscles become limp,

and they appear to faint.

Now, they haven’t fainted

because they can hear you.

They can hear everything that’s going

on, but from the outward appearance,

they sort of flop over and they

looked like they have fainted.

So when people see this and without

understanding that they can actually

become quite terrified because they think,

well, you’ve just knocked that person out.

But there, it’s not quite that.

But the reason why I think it

makes for a great film is I

think that a shock induction is a

little bit what the lockdown, the

international lockdown that happened.

You know, it’s happened during this Covid

the formula for, for, For creating a shock

induction is simply to begin relaxing

somebody in a sort of authoritative way.

Don’t worry, I’m, you know, I’ve got you.

And then to surprise them, any

kind of surprise, as long as the

surprise is Swift and drastic.

So the surprise can be a sentence,

like, there’s a terrible epidemic

and you know, we’re all in danger.

Or it can be an action like from

here on in, you know, everyone will

be by law, forced to stay inside.

Now, the reason in hypnosis, the reason

why we do shock inductions or snap

inductions, they’re often seen as if I,

I work as a hypnotherapist and if I had

a client who was very hard to monetize.

Cause some people are.

and I would say to them, if you

like, you know, we can try more

sort of aggressive methods.

So a shock induction or snap induction

is a more aggressive method and

it, and if they consent and they’re

okay with it, then you, you do it

and often you’ll get a good result.

So the reason why you do it is that

the principle of a shock induction is

that whatever comes after the shock.

So in a stage hypnosis show.

You can shock somebody, drop them into

trance, and then you can tell them that

they can’t speak English anymore and that

person will start speaking jibberish.

They will be unable to speak English.

Now, not everybody, but at

about a third or a third of the

population will react consistently.

You can also tell that

person that they are chicken.

And this is always a very comic moment

in a show, but I actually think it

reveals a very profound aspect of human

nature because that person will likely

think that they are a chicken now.

So you imagine the

propaganda possibilities.

If you can shock somebody and then make

a suggestion that the only way you can

stay safe is by staying inside your house.

That suggestion goes deep.

The principle of the

shock and then suggestion.

The suggestion goes deep.

Now, I’m not saying this to suggest

that that we were the victims of

a mass conspiracy to control us.

I think, I think everybody was shocked

by the reality of Covid, but I think

that the, some of the reasons why

people accepted things uncritically.

Much like if I can, if I hit monetize

somebody and turn them into a

chicken, and then you said to the

person, Hey, you’re not a chicken.

They would actually probably Peck

you because they’re still a chicken.

So similarly, when people absorb a

suggestion that’s given to them through

a shock induction, they’ve taken it deep.

Yes.

If I, if I don’t stay inside, I’m in

danger and I’m endangering everyone else.

So I think it would be a great, the

reason it needs to be known is that people

need to know that these things work.

They work on human nature.

so that, that’s one of the

films I’m working on now.

The, the, the second one is

just one I would like to make.

The one I would like to make is that I

believe that a very interesting phenomena.

So I did a, a talk, at TEDx Queens

and the, I think the interesting

thing about it, about this talk is

that it’s over 10 million views.

You know, for a TEDx talk.

And people often think it’s a Ted talk.

It’s not, it’s a, it’s

an obscure TEDx talk.

But I often find myself explaining why

there’s so much interest in this talk.

It is entertaining, but there’s a lot

of entertaining things on, on YouTube

that doesn’t explain the the numbers.

The explanation is that I believe, I

have to explain, I didn’t, I didn’t come

up with this idea, but I was the first

person to sort of publicly explain a

working model for hypnosis that actually

explains it almost from the top to bottom.

And other people have had this

idea, but I just had, I laid it

out and then demonstrated it on

real people to show that it’s true.

And I think that’s why there’s

so much interest in that.

And I should explain what, why.

I think it’s significant.

So I believe, and I am different

from other hypnotists, that I

believe that hypnosis is a common

and inheritance like laughter.

It’s a common inheritance of all humanity.

And this is important because

right now I think you would

Hey, I interrupt you in a second.

What does it mean, but doesn’t mean

that common in the irritants in

it, it, it, it belongs to all of us.

It’s not, it’s not.

right now, hypnotists are

sort of like the high priests.

We’re like the priests of, of hypnosis.

Cause we’re the only ones that can do it.

It’s like only the priest can do

the liturgy and the Catholic church.

Only the hypnotist can do hypnosis.

But the truth is that

everyone can do hypnosis.

Everyone experience experiences.

Hypnosis is a universal phenomenon.

And so, so this is controversial

because, you know, many

countries, have laws around this.

For example, Israel for many years

had a law saying only doctors and, you

know, officially, accepted hypnotists

are allowed to perform hypnosis,

which is absurd because hypnosis

is being performed all the time.

You know, it happens everywhere.

one of the, one of the theory

compelling theories of hypnosis is

that we’re all in trances all the time.

They’re just different kinds of trances.

So I might be in a talking trance.

Somebody might be in a listening trance.

They exhibit trans behavior.

When somebody is listening,

they’re not moving very much.

It’s like a trance.

people are in, you know.

There are light transit

that are heavy transit.

So, so this theory suggests that

hypnosis is happening everywhere

and that we shouldn’t relegate or we

shouldn’t allow it to be the private

domain of doctors and hypnotists.

It’s too important.

So in, in my TEDx, again, I’m not going to

explain the whole theory of how hypnosis

works cause it takes a while, but I’ll

give you the kind of compelling key part.

So there’s one thing.

So let me start here.

When you hit Mathai’s people, and

this is when you know they’ve gone

into deep trance, you can often know

because their limbs become limp.

If you hold their limbs, they,

there’s a liquid quality to them.

To their risks or, or, and this is

a way you may see a hypnotist test

if somebody is in deep trans to

take the risks and shake the wrist.

Now when you know that somebody is

in deep trance and you look at their

eyes, there’s a specific behavior.

So you often often see their

eyelids flickering, flickering.

If I could act it, I would, but it’s

hard to, it’s a hard performance.

It’s a hard behavior to act.

Okay.

So, so many people have observed this

even rate back a hundred years ago.

I think Anton Mesmer observed that

this flickering eyelid effect, but it

started to become relevant, relevant

when studies appeared on REM sleep.

Because what happens to us when we’re

in REM sleep, our eyelids flicker.

So I might be stating

the obvious here, but.

There’s probably an obvious

connection between REM sleep and

deep trans hypnosis because in both

cases, people’s eyes are rolled up

and their eyelids are flickering.

So that’s basically one of the

themes of my TEDx that that’s,

and when you understand that,

you understand huge implications.

Why if hypnosis is a way to

engineer a kind of waking REM state.

Then what does that mean?

Well, one, now this is conjecture,

but I think it is true.

Famously, people describe healing

experiences when they’re hypnotized.

Right?

They get, they feel, they’ve described

dramatic, sometimes dramatic healing.

You can, you can stop

wounds from bleeding.

You can bring down inflammation simply

through hypnosis, and one possible

explanation is that studies on sleep.

Show that there are only two

healing States and sleep.

So the only time that that a wound

will heal or an injury will heal

is when a person is either in deep

sleep or they’re in REM sleep.

REM sleep is profoundly healing.

So it stands to reason that if we can

recreate REM sleep in people, like without

them having to go to sleep at the snap

of our fingers in the sense that we

can recreate a powerful healing state.

And so that’s the first assumption.

That’s kind of intriguing.

The second assumption, and what I’ve

suggested too, is that I believe, and

I usually use Star Trek to explain

this, that deeptrans hypnosis is a

bit like the Holodeck in Star Trek.

Now you kind of have to be a Star

Trek fan, but do you remember

the second star Trek series?

There was

Next Generation.

yeah, so they had, remember

they had the holodeck.

yeah, yeah.

Okay.

So the holodeck is a place where you can

recreate any reality and you can live

out any kind of experience that without,

in a sense, you know, consequences.

And part of the twist is sometimes

the consequences are real.

Like you, if you died in the

holodeck, you might die for real.

Well, hypnosis is very much, like the

holodeck, because when somebody goes to

deep trends, so let’s say the classic

example of why somebody is a chicken.

So what this points to is the reason

why people become chickens under

hypnosis and not just chickens.

You can turn somebody into a, into

a cat or, or you can turn somebody

into a rap singer or a ballet dancer.

I’ve demonstrated I was working once with

a group of motorcycle bikers and I, they

were in deep trance and somebody, I asked,

what would you like to see these guys do?

And somebody said, dance

in the Bolshoi ballet.

So those, I took a bunch of bikers and

had them dance as if they were ballet

dancers and they were very serious people

fell off their chair is because laughing,

because those bikers became the most

serious ballet dancers you’ve ever seen.

So how could this be possible?

How could I convince, you know, I’m five

foot seven, I’m not particularly imposing.

How could I convince a

bunch of bikers to become.

Very feminine ballet dancers in a

matter of minutes and convincingly

they were, they danced very seriously.

And here’s the explanation,

which points to another paradigm

within hypnosis and the holodeck.

So one of the theories of dreaming

is a dreaming as an educational

process, like everything that humans

do, things have multiple processes.

So it’s not just educational,

it’s also deep potentiation.

But w.

We learn things when we dream.

And they know this because they’ve

actually caused some mammals not

to dream, particularly in the womb.

And those mammals end up to be

retarded, fundamentally retarded.

So, so that’s the sort

of interesting thing.

Now, if you had dreams, for example,

that you were being chased by

wolves, it may then occur to you

that you should climb a tree.

You basically what dream suggests, is

there a way to play out things that are

probably too dangerous in real life?

Like to sort of like do a test of

whether or not you could escape from

wolves is probably not a good idea.

It’s better that you have a dream about

it, where you remember the quality

wolves and you remember that wolves can’t

climb trees and you can climb a tree.

Once you have that dream and then you’re

walking in the forest and you’re, you

know, a Simian version of a human and you.

Are chased by wolves.

You then remember the climb the

tree, and you save your life and you

pass your, you pass along your DNA.

So this educational aspect of dreaming is

very, very powerful and not researched it.

Th th there’s a very interesting

and obscure term that explains it.

And the term that is used

is called dream neutrality.

And one theory is that.

The only right now, the only

creatures that have a high

level of dream neutrality.

Actually maybe humans, I’m not sure

about this, but I think it may be true.

So let me explain it.

Cause it does require explanation.

So dream neutrality is for

you to learn from your dreams.

You need to believe they are true.

You need to be in the dream.

Believing that the wolves can

hurt you so that you can figure

out to climb the tree and escape.

If you don’t think the wolves can

hurt you, you won’t get the answer.

And this is the holodeck.

If you don’t believe on some level that

it’s real, then you won’t learn from

you and you don’t get the enjoyment

also of the holodeck experience.

So what hypnosis offers is this ability

to create a kind of easy holodeck.

Like I’ve often done this

with groups of people.

I take a group of people and

they’re hypnotized together, and

I’ll have them visit other planets.

Now, usually they’re

just sitting in chairs.

I don’t want them running around,

potentially dangerous, but they’re

just sitting in chairs and you can

describe them going to other planets

where it’s hot, where it’s cold.

If it’s hot, they will sweat.

If it’s cold, they might shiver and

they have a kind of holodeck experience.

Now, if you do it for a show,

it all appears to be comedy.

But again, it points to this,

what I’m interested in is

the dream neutrality part.

That part to me isn’t triggering that.

It’s a much more profound experience.

So what’s interesting to me, and I’ll

just finish here, is that you would be,

you might say, Oh, that’s, you know,

that’s an interesting theory that,

you know, hypnosis is REM sleep or,

or the such thing as dream neutrality.

But I can tell you that.

And it sounds like a conspiracy theory,

but it’s not the scientific establishment.

The psychological established and

psychiatric establishment does not agree.

I had a group of psychologists contact me

and tell me REM hypnosis is not REM state

S you know, it’s not a waking dream state.

It’s not true.

They were like adamant that they, I had

to stop saying this, but I, but I was

like, no, I’m not going to stop saying it.

I see it every day.

Every day I see people go

into REM state hypnosis.

So, so there’s a bit of a

culture war around this.

and the moral of the story is, the

reason why that TEDx is so interesting

is that a lot of people are along the

way are one already have figured this

out or have some understanding of it.

And that TEDx was the one place where

it sort of, I think, comes together.

Okay.

Well, it’s very interesting

what you’re saying.

something that came up along on long list.

What you were saying now that

a shock induced, hypnothesis

I was thinking of that.

people, they are triggered

Like a trauma being triggered and then

they have an over reaction, for example,

I dunno, they attack someone or whatever.

could this also be a shock

induced, trance type of a reaction?

Because you would usually say they

are not themselves in that situation.

Yes.

So I would say classically, yes,

I think it’s a very good example.

So, so a good example would be

certain racist responses have a shock.

So, for example, right now there’s a

number of people who are, You know,

there’s been, there’s a controversy every

week in United States where some usually a

white person overreacts to a black person

walking into a store or walking in a park.

And I think what’s not really well

understood is that I think these

people are often, are legitimately

afraid, meaning, they are, they are.

They may be racist too, but they,

part of the reason they’re having this

issue is that they, they see a black

person that maybe is too close to

them, a black man, and they are, they

actually are legitimately feeling fear.

They think this person can hurt

them, but you know, but I think it’s

a result of what you’re describing.

So if I, if I show you a bunch of movies,

it’s a very interesting thing, you know?

A very dramatic example of this

is actually the difference between

Canada and the United States.

So let me explain like

an interesting thing.

Both both Canada United States have

fairly sizable African or African derived

populations, but there’s a big difference.

most and most black people in the

United States are African American.

they have a history of

slavery through slavery.

And most, most African derived people

in Canada are from the Caribbean.

Because of the history of

immigration from the Caribbean.

So there are very many different things.

And the people who have noticed that,

for example, the crime rate related

to, let’s say the black underclass

is much lower in Canada than it is in

the U S which you might explain that.

I hope I’m not, you know, I’m not

an expert in this area by the, the

history of trauma and slavery, that

was much stronger in the United

States than it was in Canada.

And that you have really two

different kinds of people.

You have African Americans, and

then you have more like Afro

Caribbean’s that are in Canada.

Well, in Canada, you often have a

very similar reaction where Canadians

will respond to black men fearfully,

because they watch American television.

They can watch American TV shows where

scary black men mug people are scary.

Black men jump out of cars and shoot.

People are scary.

Black men do these very shocking things.

That work has shock inductions.

Literally, a gunshot is a shock induction.

If you hear a gunshot, you will pay very

close attention to whatever comes next.

So, so, similarly, when you have a

bunch of black men shooting guns on TV.

You basically make the

suggestion that black men are

potentially extremely dangerous.

And the absurdity is that even though

statistics would suggest that, you

know, there might be a reality, if

you walk in rough neighborhoods in

the United States, he has a chance

you might get mugged and maybe that

mugger might be black in Canada.

There’s no reason to think that, or

no similar reason to think that yet

many Canadians respond that way.

And I think it’s exactly the

process that you described.

So you specifically what thing?

It’s shocking duct trends.

The way you know it from hypnosis, not

just a similar thing, but exactly that.

Yes.

W w well, I would say, again, you know, we

started, I started off by saying, I don’t.

That hypnosis is not something that

just happens at a hypnotist office

that, you know, trans behaviors are

happening all the time, and hypnosis

is just a model for understanding them.

So for example, like, like I often

joke that spanking is a shock induction

because literally what you’re trying

to do when you spank and the child

is spanked violently, it’s a shock.

And then there’s a moral to the story.

You know, behave better, stop

doing what you were doing.

And that, and the reason why

spanking works is the same

reason why shock inductions work.

The sh spank is the shock.

And then the moral or the

suggestion comes right after.

And you know, it’s usually there’s

a story, like, be a good child.

Don’t misbehave.

Spanx, banks bank, because I’m

recreating a spanking scenario here.

but, but similarly in, in war time.

Or when Wars are declared, you know,

classically the war in Iraq was

actually a giant shock induction.

So, you know, we, you see this

horrible event, it scares you,

the living daylights out of you.

So Americans were scared,

you know, they saw it.

And I’m not, I’m not, I’m not

trivializing any aspect of it because

we know this was a massive and

terrible event by human standards.

And, but.

the effect would be after a shock

induction, the next suggestion

that is made becomes powerful.

So whatever it is, this horrible thing

that you saw, and then I say, it’s

all Saddam Hussein’s fault, or it’s

all, some had been Latins fault at

that moment, you will go, yes, it’s

all a sound had been Latins fault.

and so this method of.

I mean, this I think even goes back to

the, Blitzkrieg it works in two ways.

It can work in creating adherence.

Meaning if I, if I shock you and say,

we’ve got to, we’ve got to beat up the

guy down the street and you’re kind of

my friend, you are more likely to go

along with me if I’ve shocked you first.

But it also works in, if I’m trying

to scare people, I shocked them.

And then also suggests that I, P I

possess, you know, supernatural power.

I think these, this is my limited

understanding of the famous

Blitzkrieg, you know, by the Nazis.

Where that, that part of the idea

was to start with an incredibly

shocking attack and which would

cause the enemy to sort of like fold.

And that is a similar same principle,

I think of a of a shock conduction

because you, the suggestion isn’t that

you should fold this suggestion is,

you know, that one thing I did too.

Was so overwhelming that it re

that I can now make the suggestion

that I possess a power beyond your

imagination, which is terrifying.

You know, another good example of a shock

induction is getting punched in the face.

I don’t know if you’ve ever

been punched in the face.

I have a few times.

No.

But that is a shock induction too.

It gets your attention, and the next

thing that you, somebody says to you

after they punched you in the face is

something you will always remember.

so it’s a similar principle.

Okay.

That sounds very interesting.

so is there anything else that you,

think about which implications?

It has like shock inductions

for us, individually.

Also maybe on a societal

level and the humanity level.

Yeah.

Well, the reason I think is an issue,

and maybe even a sort of a problem

would be that, that, So, for example,

there are movies I can recommend

if you’re interested in finding out

more, I would recommend watching ’em.

Now you see, now you see

me, it’s a Hollywood film.

It’s about a group of like magicians,

mentalist, and hypnotists that, you know,

rob banks and become incredibly rich.

And they’re used to manipulate governments

and you know, it’s like Hollywood.

Film, but in the film, one of the actress

portrays a hypnotist, who, who was

able just to walk up to people in the

street and perform a shock induction.

You see the people collapsed in his arms.

Now I can do that.

I can walk up to people.

I mean, you can do it.

If I showed you the

technique, you can do it.

I can walk up to people and I can perform

a shock conduction and they will collapse.

I have to catch them.

And now they are, they may not

stay in that state for long.

It’s not as dangerous as it seems.

When people see this, they’re like,

Oh my God, somebody could just

walk up to me, pull my hand, and

then I’d fall on the ground that

could take my wallet and run away.

So the truth is that it

doesn’t work that way.

But the movies portrayed is working that

way that anybody can walk up to you and

just do this and you’re knocked out.

It’s, it’s, it’s the, the, what they’re

not showing you is what’s happened before.

So what’s happened before is I would, if

I would do this to somebody, I would say,

would you like to try hypnotic experiment?

Are you okay with going into hypnosis?

and I’ve sort of suggested to them that

I’m not going to hurt you in any way.

I’m going to watch out for your safety.

So what I’ve created is a

kind of safe atmosphere.

Then I might tell them

to take, to breathe in.

Why?

Because when people slow their

breathing down, they’re starting to

move into the calmer nervous system.

So this sort of, I’ve set a kind

of momentum intention where I’m

suggesting you can go to a calm place.

Then I performed the shock induction,

and at that point they might drop.

Now.

so this has implications because.

I, you know, my question, I guess I would

ask you, or I would ask your audience, is

this information that belongs to humanity

or should it be sort of the private

purview of hypnotists and maybe people

that are interested in mind control?

And my feeling is that

this belongs to humanity.

It’s, it’s, it’s a aspect of human nature.

I think it’s there for a reason.

It’s there.

I think it has to do like the way it

originates, a little bit of a hack

in a, in an evolutionary that has

that in an evolutionary behavior.

The hack is that if, if you,

you know, things in the animal

world move very quickly.

So if you were being stocked by

a tiger, the moment you have to

respond is very short, meaning the

tiger, you might hear like a rustle

and then the tiger is on you right.

So, so we are equipped with a

very quick reorientation system.

Okay.

So that we, or, or any, you

know, any kind of attack event

in nature happens very fast.

famously, snakes and other animals are

been designed by, designed by evolution

to strike so quickly before the.

You know, the animal can respond.

so it’s something that’s out

there a lot and mammals have the

ability to reorient really fast.

And I’m sure this has happened to

you where you hear a loud bang and

you jump, that’s you reorienting.

So what hypnotists have

discovered, I didn’t discover it.

It’s been known probably for, I would

guess a few decades that I, as far as I

know, is that when you shock somebody.

and they try to reorient quickly that if

you sort of say to them, you’re basically

psychologically saying them, it’s okay.

Don’t panic.

Just go to sleep.

That because that instruction is

given to their unconscious mind,

not their conscious mind, they

often will go straight into sleep.

They will.

They will go deep into trance.

So this phenomena, essentially a hack of

a very natural impulse to like reorient

when you’re shocked, but it’s been

used to control and manipulate people.

And I think, you know, it’s

used regularly, to start Wars,

to rally people to your cause.

it’s, it’s just an effective.

Method of persuasion.

it reminds me of the, I did a documentary

on the origins of the desk squad.

Well, actually, we start, it was a

newspaper article, not a documentary,

but, but, I, I, my belief is

that the debt, the concept of the

desk squat originates in Romania.

and with the Romanian iron guard,

which sort of came about with a sort

of a fascist movement came about in.

at the same time, or Rose to

prominence with the Nazis, and they

actually influenced them that Nazi.

So one theory is that the Nazis

got their idea from the Romanian.

So what the Romanian iron guard

would do is that if, if you had a

political opponent, so if you were,

you and I were political opponents,

instead of arguing with you or.

Let’s say if the, the, the opposition

became ferocious instead of just, let’s

say shooting you, what the iron guard

invented was a system where they would

go to their opponents house and they

would kill the person and they would

very violently mangled the corpse,

or they would kill them in a terrible

way, and that they had a signature

move, which they would li live a night.

They would leave a knife.

Directly in the person’s heart, a

big stagger in the person’s heart.

So then when the family found

them or or people arrived, they

would see this horrible scene.

Now the reason why this

mattered is because the iron

guard became very successful.

There are probably a bunch of.

Crackpots bullies, conspiracy

theorists, priests, fanatics.

You know, they weren’t people that should

have a large movement, but they quickly

gained a very large movement because

they scared the shit out of everybody.

And that would, I think it was in effect,

a shock, a shock induction where, they

perform an act that is so shocking

that people need to recreate another

reality than reality is probably like,

I don’t want to challenge these people.

Because that could happen to me,

or I’m just going to run away,

which is sort of what happened.

And the Nazis then developed

very similar tactics.

You know, always start with shock

and make the shock so crazy.

But that’s basically the definition

of hypnotic suggestion, you know?

It.

ISIS did the same thing,

cut off someone’s head.

So crazy and so shocking that the P

the your opponents are going to be

like, I don’t even want to dance.

You know, I’m not interested in, and

engaging with you because it’s so crazy.

And so that that principal

is still at work.

I think in all those situations.

I think it’s probably in the CIA

manuals and that kind of thing.

You know, it’s, it’s

taught, would be my guess.

you talked about a lot of,

different paradigms now.

is there anything else specifically

when it comes to challenging paradigms

that you would like to share with us.

Let’s just maybe just one that also,

I mean, I think hypnosis has, for

me, many implications, and I say this

sort of as not a hypnotist in a way.

It sounds fine to say that, but I say

that almost as a journalist, you know,

I’m looking at the sort of what’s going

on and I’m like, wow, this is interesting.

So one of the weirdest

aspects of hypnosis.

Is actually another side of it.

So if you go to a late night, it

knows the show in Las Vegas right now.

It’s just where the, generally

where the raciest shows are.

at the end of the show, commonly the

hypnotist will say something like,

when I sat in my fingers, everyone on

stage will have an enormous orgasm.

And then when you watch it

happens, what you see is like a

bunch of people riding around.

and it appears that

they are having orgasms.

So when you go to these shows, you know,

it’s usually people that are drunk.

People laugh, you know, quite a bit.

But I find like nobody really cares

about whether this is real or not.

And there’s a kind of nerd myself,

I, when I S I’ve seen this phenomenon

I saw maybe 10 years ago, of course,

my reaction was, is this real?

Are are these people just acting

like they’re having orgasms or

are they really having orgasms?

And so this blows another door wide open.

So, of course, I worked

with a group of people.

I’m interested obviously in experimental

hypnosis, and it’s not hard to do.

You can get a group of friends

together and you can just try things.

And so I, I got a group together

in Montreal called the Montreal

experimental trans group.

It’s a group of hypnotists, a

group of people that are interested

in hypnosis, people that are,

meditators, that kind of thing.

And we experimented

and we found out, Whoa.

Put somebody in a particular

trans, it’s a some nebulous trans,

which is not that hard to get.

Basically, a quarter of the population

can do it easily, and those people can

very easily be walked into a huge orgasm

in any situation that can be like,

so for example, I did a talk, right?

We filmed a woman who was an a in front

of a, in front of 12 people at a workshop,

you know, having an enormous orgasm.

And she certainly didn’t mind.

That is happens with people with their

clothes on, obviously with their consent.

and, but the implications are also huge.

Let me explain what I

think the implications are.

So I believe in, and this is a project

I’m working on right now, that one of the

problems with humanity is our sexual codes

and cultures are wrong and that they’re

often that most stress behavior, sorry.

Most sex behavior is

actually a stress behavior.

Meaning we live in a culture where people

are expected to reform men and women,

that somehow sex is this sort of act of.

High accomplishment, like a kind of

gymnastic exercise, which both partners

engage in is supposed to come naturally.

So, which it only does in a number

of rare occasions, and the fallout

is that most people feel like

they’re sexually dysfunctional.

A certain percentage of

men have never had orgasms.

And, I think that this

is a very easy to fix.

And it’s, again, it’s hypnosis.

Is the door, the doorway?

What hypnosis reveals is that, so,

so the one part I didn’t tell you

about earlier in explaining the whole

model for hypnosis, the last part

then maybe a significant here, is

that hypnosis basically allows you

to get into the programming language.

I’m unconscious human nature.

I mean, the reason why people go to,

you know, to quit smoking or something

along those lines or lose weight, is that

ultimately smoking is like a bad program.

You know, you, your body interprets

smoking as something that’s good for

you, but ultimately it’s bad for you.

You know?

So.

Hypnosis is good at fixing that

because what we do is we get into the

programming language and we go, Oh,

this is what smoking really is and

this is what healthy things really are.

You should stop doing that

unhealthy thing and let’s start

doing the healthy thing so.

Really, hypnosis offers you access,

and it’s, you know, we’re, I know we’re

uncomfortable saying that people are

like computers, but hypnosis shows

that people are like computers a lot.

You know, we’re, we’re very sophisticated

computers, but we definitely run

programs and, and similarly, almost

everybody right now on our culture runs

sexual programs, cliche programs like.

I do this, and then you do that.

You do that, and I do this, and

that creates a lack of intimacy.

Closeness, ultimately a lack of love.

And from my point of view,

and it’s very easy to fix.

When people go to these very relaxed

States, they are far more orgasmic.

So people.

And these transits can have

And what’s interesting about them

is the orgasms can be, tailored.

so meeting somebody can have an orgasm

and you can tell them it’s going to

be lemon, it’s gonna, you’re gonna

taste lemon when you have the orgasm.

And then when you ask them

what it was like, they’ll say,

Holy cow, I had an orgasm.

And the whole thing was lemon flavor.

That sounds like a joke, but the

significance of it is that you’re

in the programming language.

So it means, like for example, I’ve

had clients, so clients are people who

love their husbands or love their wives

or love their partners, but they don’t

associate their partner with orgasms.

They just don’t, for whatever

reason, there’s a block there.

So it’s very easy to take that

person with their consent.

Put them into a deep trance and

then have them have an orgasm

about the person that they love.

And of course, orgasm.

Now, this is all theory.

One theory is that orgasm is a

target state, which in the hypnosis

target state is like you’re

trying to get to whatever that is.

So when you have a, an orgasm

about the person that you love.

Then you start to increase attraction

and arousal for that person if you,

even if you didn’t feel it before.

So this is a wonderful thing.

in the right hands, you know, it’s,

it’s a really beautiful thing.

And there are dangers with this,

I should mention, there are a

lot of ethical issues around it.

Of course you could manipulate

people possibly, but generally,

you know, I know those people would

probably listen to this thinking,

you know, what about mine control?

And, well, here’s the interesting

thing that when a hypnotist,

you know, works with you.

So let’s say hypnotist, let’s say as

a hypnotist, I was able to say to put

someone in a trance, and I’d say, at

the end of this experience, you’re going

to go to your bank account, withdraw

all your money, and email it to me,

and you’ll forget that you did it well

in an individual holodeck experience.

I might be able to do that.

I can make people forget things and

trends, like anyone who’s a good hypnotist

can make people forget things and trends,

but when they wake up, it all comes back.

It’s just a holodeck experience,

a temporary experience.

So then when they would remember, Hey,

you told me to, you know, you told me.

To, take all my money and give it to you.

So, and then I would get arrested.

So, so it doesn’t work.

It doesn’t pay if it knows this had the

ability that sometimes people think it

has in terms of manipulative or criminal

acts, there would be hypnotists committing

crimes everywhere, but they don’t,

I’ll maybe I’ll close with this one.

Interesting story.

So there was an example, there

was a guy, I think in Italy.

Who was hypnotizing, he was

hypnotizing cashiers to drop their

money into a bag and they would do it.

They had video of like the cashier

would get a blank look and then he would

arrive and they would just take the

money out of the cash and put it in his

bag and he would run off with the money.

But what was funny about the story

was that eventually he got caught

because cashier like woke up in

the middle of it, which is typical.

And there’s another example of this at

of proves the reality of the situation.

So there’s a, there’s a hypnotist

called Spidey who really likes to

push the envelope of what can be done.

And what he did is he demonstrated

that he could drive, he would

drive through a stop sign knowing

that the police would catch him.

And then he would try to

hypnotize the police and to not

giving him a traffic ticket.

So he did.

There’s an amazing video.

You can look it up.

Hypnotists, I think, look, lookup

hypnotist police, you can find it

where the guy, he drives at twice

the speed limit through a stop sign

gets pulled over by the police.

They’re right there.

He knows they’re there.

He drives right in front of them,

gets her, you know, basically gets

pulled over and then he does hypnosis

and he actually uses snap inductions.

What he says to the police as he says.

You use another thing

called a pattern interrupt.

The police starts to story and

says, do you know that you drove?

And he says, hold on a second.

He says, do you know where

the next gas station is?

I’m sorry, I just want to ask you.

I just need to know

where the gas station is.

He says it politely and what that

phenomena is, it’s the same principle

that when you interrupt somebody’s

pattern, they’re more open to suggestion.

So, and then when the

police starts to talk.

The hypnotist snaps his

fingers and he says, yes.

So snap is a shock.

And he says, have you ever gone

somewhere and forgotten why you’re there?

So the hypnotist acts like he’s talking

about himself, but he’s really made

the suggestion to the police officer.

He’s basically gone.

Have you ever gone somewhere

and forgotten why you’re there?

And then that’s what happens

to the police officer.

He actually gets very confused.

And the hypnotist says, well,

I guess I can just go then.

And then the police officer

goes, yes, you can just go.

And then he drives away without a ticket.

Okay, so this is amazing.

When people see it,

they’re like, Holy cow.

Imagine the mind control possibilities.

Well, I know that hypnotist and

what he demonstrates at the end of

the video, which a lot of people

don’t see, is that he did this

five times or four or five times.

And four out of the five times

he got a ticket for like $157

so, and that’s roughly the

proportionality of how much it works.

You know, about a quarter of the

time people go deep, but it’s

not as successful crime tactic

because you’re going to get caught.

So the moral of the story is hypnosis,

in my view, is belongs to everybody.

There’s no reason that it has to be the

mystery purview of hypnotists, that it has

huge implications for human health safety.

It has huge implications for

human sexuality, and it offers

a kind of access point a way.

If you look at anybody’s problems

in their lives, very few problems

are, are conscious problems,

meaning nobody, you know.

Acts like a jerk and then says like, I

knew very well I was acting like a jerk.

Or usually are behaviors that

are problematic, are unconscious.

We get anxious, we get angry,

we get upset, we do unconscious

things, we get addicted.

These are all unconscious behaviors.

So hypnosis offers us a way to change

bad programs and to become better people.

And it’s easy.

It’s not that hard.

And the irony of it is that it all came

from Vienna, where you come from Anton

Mesmer and Antoine Mesmer, who was

the first person to really demonstrate

hypnosis publicly, widely was tragically

discredited, ridiculed, made fun,

and died tragically and obscurity.

Being made to feel that he was

wrong, that it was all witchcraft.

but he was right.

I really wonder, when you look back,

you’ve done a lot of different things.

with, I guess a fulfilled making.

You can look into very the various

fields and that you’re interested

in, and it gives you a certain type

of possibilities, but when you sum

it up, when you look into the past,

why would you say you do what you do.

That’s a good, very good question.

I would say that even as a

teenager, I had the sense that

I was living in a false reality.

So meeting, like I remember when I went

to high school that it was a little

bit like wash, like I was in a Walt

Disney movie where full of facades, and

I even think that many people’s human

personalities are a little bit like

facades because we’ve been giving these

cliche ways of being and ways of living.

And so I became hungry for the

awareness that there was more.

And I really think there is more.

I mean, not just, I’m not

talking just about hypnosis.

I mean, I, I bet this has

happened to you as well since

sort of pursuing paradigm shifts.

So you realize, I mean, I could go

on about Ayahuasca that’s a whole

other paradigm, you know, plant

medicine, whole other paradigm

aliens, a whole other paradigm.

So, so I think that, That’s

what really motivated me.

And I, you know, I think my father was,

my father was a scientist, a physicist,

and I think I might’ve inherited some

search for truth, you know, or for

me, I don’t know if this is same for

you, that I felt like the search for

truth actually makes my world safer.

You know, that, that it could,

it should work out to be a better

world for me and maybe my people, my

family, you know, that kind of thing.

If things are known.

Things are understood.

I’ve seen this with the pandemic.

One of the frightening

parts of the pandemic.

I don’t think it’s as bad in Europe,

but here in America, there’s a lot

of like, if you look at the history

of pandemics, there’s a part that

people aren’t talking about, which is

the, the weird scapegoating behavior.

So throughout pandemics, people.

There are, there are always burning

people at the stake during the pandemic.

Why?

Because they would blame the pandemic on

the guy with the weird house or the, or

the people with the darker skin or the,

you know, and those people would die.

And now it is not that

bad now, thankfully.

But you do see it the

similar pattern where.

Always somebody needs to be blamed.

The people not wearing masks.

The people that are old are

the people that are young.

Somebody’s always getting

blamed, and I actually think

that is part of the pandemic.

So the last thing I would say is

that us understanding this, what I’ve

also seen is that I’ve confronted

some people with, with, with, I’ve

accused them of using scapegoating

behavior, and I actually have seen

them correct their behavior right away.

They go, yeah, they kind of snap out of

it and go, Whoa, what was I doing there?

And so it’s one of the interesting areas

where awareness can make a big difference.

You know, when you say to the

people, it’s, you know, black

people didn’t cause a pandemic

there, they might go, you’re right.

You know, I have to think about that.

I shouldn’t, I should stop

blaming on somebody, you know?

so that’s something, so

knowledge really matters.

So I’m glad we did

Okay.

So you, would you say it’s, would

it be like, seeking for truth and

showing a different type of reality?

Yeah.

And I think that, that, that my style has

always been a very clear street reality.

I was, before I was in, you

know, anything, like I was a

street performer, I was a street

musician, and that gave me like.

For some reason that really showed

me like I performed with every

kind of drunken, regular person.

So I sort of have a sense of

the, of the guy on the street,

man or woman on the street.

And I like that.

I like that I can speak to everyone

about things that might be quite

abstract or quite scientific.

And I think the world needs right

now, we, you know, we have the

knowledge for a better world.

We have the knowledge

to stop climate change.

We have the knowledge to stop

this pandemic it’s sort of

like the, we have to use it.

Definitely.

So like when you.

Go now into the future of your life and,

imagine yourself looking back, to today.

So what’s the impact you would have liked

to have had on humanity imagining from

your deathbed, for example, looking back.

I have a pretty clear answer.

I would want people to laugh because I

think laugh is this nod not on judgmental

shared universe, human, universal.

And I would rather be people

like, rather than people say,

that guy was really smart.

I’d rather they say, that

guy really made me laugh.

And, and because I guess a

good way to be remembered.

It’s a good feeling.

And, you know, I’m worried about

the way the world is going.

I think we’d have to do

a whole other podcast.

The world is not.

I don’t think, I think a lot of us aren’t

feeling it’s going in a good direction,

but, but I think there, like, like I

said, is I think the reason why you do

this and what you do, what you do, and

I do, I do, is that sharing important

information makes the world better.

Thank you.

thank you.

Yes, thank you very much for all

this very interesting conversation.

Yeah.

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