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Welcome to Challenging Paradigm X.

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Have you ever said to yourself, I’m
too old to do this or to learn this?

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What does daily bodywork and practicing extreme flexibility
do to your mind and what could happen in your life?

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If you dare to believe in yourself today?

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My guest is Nina Burri.

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Nina is an exceptional entertainer and stage performer.

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Practicing the art of contortion.

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Contortion is an art that requires extreme
physical flexibility, where the artists

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do feeds of seemingly inhuman flexibility.

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She started at the age of 30 the age at which
most contortionists stop performing this art.

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And please be aware.

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Contortion is nothing that someone just performs as a hobby.

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The level of dedication and training it requires is
comparable to the one of a high performance, right.

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Essentially with what she achieved.

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Her story is challenging.

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Many paradigms.

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Nina will let us dive into her past and tell us about her
metamorphoses to watch she calls becoming really herself.

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So basically how she turned format, Moulin Rouge,
a performer who wasn’t always self-conscious.

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To one of the world’s most prominent contortionists
by overcoming all critical voices from the outside

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and by daring to do what you really believe in
and dance at an age, no one in the field will

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have imagined it to be still physically possible.

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Amongst other things.

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She became a finalist in America’s got talent
and recently received the lifetime achievement

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award for a 35 year long career on stage.

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Currently she works as a stage performer
speaker model, actress and moderator.

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While being the oldest contortionists in
the world who has set herself the goal of

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doing the split still at the age of 90.

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So if you’re interested in finding out
how she achieved, these feats stayed here.

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Isaac SIS.

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And I’m today with Nina brewery.

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Nina.

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Welcome to my podcast.

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Please introduce yourself where you are.

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What do you do?

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Hi, Texas.

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I’m happy to be with you on this podcast.

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I’m a Swiss contortionists.

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I’m probably the oldest contortionist
in this world right now.

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I’m 44 almost in August.

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They’re going to be 44 and I do this
crazy contortion thing for about 14 years.

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And before it was a ballet dancer.

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I danced all my life since the age of six and I traveled the
world for all my contracts and education and yeah, I danced

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everywhere and I had a pretty moving life all the time.

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So yeah, I’m on the move until Corona happened.

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And then of course we all slowed down a little.

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Yeah.

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But my life is pretty bendy and flexible.

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You can say that.

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So you say since you’re six.

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Yes.

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I started ballet dancing when I was six years old.

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A musical show in a musical show and the stage.

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And I said, told my mother, I want to do this.

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I want to be on stage.

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And she said, if you want to be on
stage, you have to learn first something.

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And we started with ballet.

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I didn’t really know what ballet is by the time.

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I just know, knew that I wanted to be on stage that’s.

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That was always the main thing.

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So I started ballet at seven around
seven, and then my first performance.

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Really three years later in the same
show, which is so at the age of six.

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And since then, I’m I have this virus
inside of me to the dancing and stage virus.

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And maybe, yeah, this is a profession,
not only a profession, but in Germany we

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say, but hopeful something you have to do.

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Yeah.

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And I, I still love it because I think I have to love
it so much to do this, that still because it’s very

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demanding for the body, the body work I do every day.

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Yes.

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So, I mean, basically when I counted right.

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Like stage performance for 35 years now.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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I just got the lifetime achievement award for my
skews and I thought, oh my God, I’m not that old.

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But when I think about it, I’m really old in what I do
because contortionists are usually about 30 when they stop.

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And I started when I was 30 with
contortion and that’s a weird thing.

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And now I’m, I’m actually.

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To have to honor it to get that award.

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But I thought, okay, this is weird.

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I always see or saw so far people that are 78 years
old at the end of their life and they get this award,

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but yeah, it’s, it’s kind of special, you know?

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Oh, it is special.

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And please tell me, like, I mean, do I
understand correctly after 35 years you had

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your first time kind of a break after 35 years.

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So you’re ongoing for 35 years.

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You were always.

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I didn’t never do a break.

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I’m always performing, but Corona of course,
made us stop a little bit to do the stage work.

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But contortion is so demanding
that you have to do with every day.

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You, you need to, for the people that don’t
know what contortion is, it’s actually

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extreme flexibility done with your body.

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You can imagine, like in Switzerland
they call me, translated.

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It’s like snake woman.

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So that means I’m the very flexible person.

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And in order to maintain that flexibility,
you have to work out every day.

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That means.

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Home office is not a strange word for
me because I do it everyday at home.

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And in Corona times, of course, we didn’t have the chance to
perform on stage, but still through internet or other, other

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options I could of course show my skills a little bit, but.

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It was still a little break from my usual
crazy traveling life, which is leading,

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guiding me to from one show to the next.

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So Corona made it happen that it slowed down a little, which
is also healthy too, to not only to recover, but also to.

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I have some ideas.

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Okay.

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Where I am.

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Where do I want to go?

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Especially in this time, when I got one
month ago, this lifetime achievement award,

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I thought, okay, can I get more high?

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I mean, in my career, is it possible to get more?

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Not really, but because I lift all the things already,
but you can change because you change as a person a little

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bit, and you have another approach on stage pro possibly.

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And other impacts that come in the
performance, which is very interesting.

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For example, Working as a speaker connection in connection
with my skills as an artist, transmitting some ideas.

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How do you work with your body in that age?

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Can also be interesting for certain people.

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You can be a role model, for example, because
people always think when you are so old, as

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I am, you can not start something new or you
are too old to do that, which is not true.

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You can always make progress.

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So those are the things that came to my
mind only because of this break and yeah.

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It always a pros and contrast.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So you, you thinking of going more into the direction of
speaking and combining it with your stage performance?

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I don’t plan it so fast or so
far, but I had done it already.

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And it’s always interesting for people
I realize because when I’m only doing.

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I’m an artist.

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I’m a contortionist.

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When I start to be a speaker or I speak, I use my voice.

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I reached the people on the other level and
when they then know how my career went or what

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my career was so far, which is different from
all the normal careers, people normally are 18.

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They stopped their education as
contortionists or as artists.

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And then they start to be on stage with that art
and maybe 10 or 20 years later, they finished.

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I started contortion only at 30.

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In an age where nobody believed I can.

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A level, a good level of professional level
in conclusion, this was my turning point.

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And there is sometimes a need in the audience to
know that and to motivate young people, especially

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to not give up and not think when they are 18, they
have done it all and they cannot reach anymore new

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goals because some people don’t MI Nina, I I’m 20.

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Now I’m too old.

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Isn’t it say no.

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W who says you are too old, you can always
go further and you can always try because

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at least to try then, you know, you know,

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So, especially with your arts, like flexibility in the body.

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And do you, you see a connection to flexibility and a
person in my age and in what I do you have always to

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change because you, you know, the market is never stable
the market in, in as an art for an artist, for a circus

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performer, for a dancer, for an actor, we are not like.

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Like, uh, I show now a straight line.

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You cannot see it, maybe.

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So you are not nine to five.

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You are not having five weeks of holidays.

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And then you have not the chance
to recover this time and be paid.

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We have always ups and downs and we must know
what is the need of the audience right now?

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What do they want?

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If my show is maybe not successful,
why is it not successful?

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Can I change something?

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So you have to be very alert, like a snake.

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I mean, it’s, it’s, you know, you have to be alert.

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You have to know, is it good?

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What I do if it’s running well,
then maybe I do everything right.

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Or maybe I can change things.

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And I have to question this, you
know, and be open for changes.

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I cannot be here and say, Nope.

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It’s good.

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And it will always be good.

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It can be good.

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Yes.

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On stage, but sometimes the market changes.

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So I have to adapt.

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For example, in this year we learned that SU meetings are
very important when I would say, oh no, I have not left.

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I have to have a computer.

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I will never do that.

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Then I will be still say, do not move over to anymore.

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I think you have to always have your eyes
and ears open and your senses for the people.

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For the needs and for what’s happening in the
world in order to be a good artist and to be,

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to find your place in the system before you
started your art, you were a ballet dancer.

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Your level of flexibility has
been much lower than it was after.

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Or the actual question is I’m really interested
in, if you also found there was a change,

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how your mind works when you started with.

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Okay.

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I always knew I’m flexible.

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Sometimes more flexible than normal dancers.

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This was my big issue.

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Let’s say it was not always a pro because
by the time I was a ballet dancer, this

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kind of flexibility was not even asked.

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I mean, you have to have, you had to have a
certain flexibility, but technical aspects like

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turning, jumping, where much more important
in this time when you had this flexibility.

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I have sometimes the only one and sometimes it could not
even use it because the whole group was doing different.

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So.

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Okay.

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I know my skills, but I didn’t really train it so much.

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But when I was a kid and this is interesting, my first
thing I did actually, before I started ballet was cartwheels

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in the garden, or I did the acrobatics for myself.

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What I saw on television.

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I just copied that.

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I played, I played circus.

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Let’s say that.

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So I was actually maybe a contortionist
already before I even started ballet, but

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without knowing it consciously, and then I.

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Ballet dancer.

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And I sometimes knew, okay, maybe I should be a soloist.

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Maybe I should do something that I have
a solo role and I have to sell it then.

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But I knew only with dancing,
that’s really pretty difficult.

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So the thought to be a contortionist came.

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Yeah.

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Because I knew I have, I don’t want
to go on as a ballet dancer anymore.

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At the age of 30, I knew, okay, either you stop
or you, you do something that is really you.

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And that’s why I looked in the internet.

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What kind of possibilities are there for
doing an education as a contortionist?

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The name contortionists was not even so much in my
mind and not even a picture, but I knew flexibility

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and a new acrobatics, something like that I want to do.

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And then.

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Everything went really quick.

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I found a school in China.

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I knew I can go there for longer than
just two or three weeks in summer.

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I can study there for one year or two years.

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So I went there for six months and it’s not that the teacher
paid a lot of attention to me, but I, I watched the kids

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and I watched what they do and I learned, and I told them.

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I have to learn it.

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I have to do it now.

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I cannot disappoint myself and my people,
which are actually not believing in me

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that I can do that still at the age of 30.

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So I thought, okay, I want to try.

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And I gave it a try.

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And when I came back, I was pretty
much already a contortionist.

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That means I trained for six months, eight hours a day.

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And I transformed my body from ballet dancer
into contortionists means I learned hand

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standing, which I never did as ballet dancer.

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And I learned this crazy over stretches of
the legs and the back, which needs to be

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done every day when you’re a contortionist.

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And yes, it worked, luckily because you know, when you never
did it, you cannot know how the body is going to react.

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Sometimes maybe people find out that Friday, like
me, maybe they find out, oh no, I have always paid.

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I cannot do it.

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But luckily my body reacted very well.

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And so I knew I can do this and it gave me
very much strength and, and forced to do it.

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And I said, okay, I found my thing and now I
can invent shows because I know it’s always,

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I don’t have to look after the others.

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I’m not a soloist.

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And of course the beginning was really hard.

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Nobody wants to see my chauffeur.

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So I had to really make sure they see me
in festivals and stuff like that to be seen

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as a new me before I was known as a dancer.

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But now I have to be known as a circus artist.

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Yes.

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So it took six months.

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This metamorphosis, basically.

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Yes.

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And of course, much longer.

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I mean, six months was just the beginning, but if you saw
me after six months, you so already the contortionists,

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you know, of course I, I, when I see videos now, from
this time, I was like, oh my God, everything is so slow.

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I had to be concentrated very much to do a
handstand and to hold it now, it’s like nothing.

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Like my second shoes, you know, I heard you
say that it’s, it’s like I do it every day.

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It’s so much natural.

252
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It’s so much inside of me that I basically,
I can watch television with the training.

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I don’t have to concentrate so much,
except if I work on new staff of course.

254
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But then it was still a new thing.

255
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So concentration, a lot of warmup, a lot of preparation.

256
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Yeah, this was of course, like every new thing.

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It has to be first, your second nature before you can shine.

258
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So that also something change on your
mind level, like in this process.

259
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I mean, it was a challenge obviously like, um, at
the session, but did you like looking back now,

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do you feel after six months or maybe once a year?

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That you also have changed as a person more.

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How do you say that in English?

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I was not very self-confident
before, as a dancer, I doubted a lot.

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I was always like in question, is it the right thing?

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Teachers told me I’m not good enough.

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Sometimes you didn’t get the job.

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I was used to get a no, you know, and the problem was.

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The exterior?

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No, the problem was sometimes my, no, because I adapted
it and I said to myself, or maybe I’m not good enough.

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Maybe I should be better.

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Maybe I should not be here and do that.

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You know, there was a lot of doubts because I
felt somehow that I was not really under, still

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not on the right place, physically and inside.

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So I knew.

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I have to first get my yes.

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Inside the yes.

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Saying I’m good enough.

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It’s good.

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What I do, I have to be convinced
to make sure the people are.

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What they see, you know, so I have to be
convinced myself about what I’m doing.

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And of course this transformation happened
really strongly from the moment I went.

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There was a big question, mark, can I do it?

283
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Is it okay?

284
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Is it really as bad as everybody says, because
they thought I’m stupid to do that because I was 30

285
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already and I’m an old woman doing something crazy.

286
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So nobody was asking.

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Helping me.

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So I had to be very strong.

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So a lot of question marks, but inside of me, I
kind of knew, okay, this must be the right thing,

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because I don’t want to look for something new.

291
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This must be the right thing.

292
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And then after three months in the process, I felt, okay.

293
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I feel it’s good.

294
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My body reacts well.

295
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I know I can shine in this when I worked
really hard and it was really much fun.

296
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I had no problems to, to, to work out eight hours a day.

297
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I had so much fun.

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It doesn’t feel like work and maybe this components
made it that I’m so happy about what I do.

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But when I came back, I was another person, a self
confident person, which is happy and which show, which

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likes to show what she can do and likes to impress
people, which didn’t believe in me in the first place.

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This gave me a lot, gave me a lot of motivation.

302
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Yeah, it was, it was like a big process from going there.

303
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The Nina starts to be in China.

304
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The Nina leaves, China was a very big difference.

305
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Beautiful.

306
00:16:45,039 –> 00:16:53,159
Yeah, it sounds like, like you, you believed in
what you want to do and you, you were able to, yes.

307
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I believed when I knew after six or let’s say three,
four months that it starts to look pretty nice.

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What I do.

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I can make something with it.

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I don’t have to be the best.

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I will never reach the level of a nine year old
Chinese contortionists, but that doesn’t matter

312
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because I knew what my, what my show should be.

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It should be a show with a theme.

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Like for example, I have this, this kind of famous James
Bond act, which is still one of my best acts, just because

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people see me, the bond girl, and they are happy just
for the music and the whole environment that I create.

316
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And I knew after.

317
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Yeah.

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It’s, it’s a little time actually, after four months in
the process that this is going to work, even if I didn’t

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have to show in front of my eyes yet, but it gives you, it
gives you so much confirmation that you get much stronger

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without having actually the people around you saying.

321
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Yeah, you’re strong because before I let myself lead
from the voices, a lot people said to me, oh, it’s bad.

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I believed it.

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I said, oh shit, I have to work more on the way.

324
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I’m not good enough.

325
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So you could make me a lot of look.

326
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You could make me very angry.

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And when I knew I found this, this art of
contortion, I knew I can leave ballet behind.

328
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And just as a training, I like it, but
ballet on stage behind, and I can start

329
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something that is probably now really me.

330
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And I think when somebody finds
the thing, that is your thing.

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It’s going to be easy.

332
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It’s like in love when you have a
relationship and it is always weird.

333
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And some, somehow you have to fight and
I don’t believe it’s the right partner.

334
00:18:21,819 –> 00:18:26,709
You know, it doesn’t mean that when you have the
right partner, you never fight, but it means sometimes

335
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things coming together when you feel it’s right now.

336
00:18:30,009 –> 00:18:31,689
And this feeling I had when I left China.

337
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And, uh, when I started, even if I didn’t have a job
yet, I felt confident that I have something to offer,

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which could be interesting for the people to see.

339
00:18:41,499 –> 00:18:46,389
So it must’ve been a very intense feeling,
basically on an intense moment in your life.

340
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Yes.

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Because you’re in this culture that you
don’t know, you don’t speak the language.

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Nobody is on your side to say, oh, you’re doing good.

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Everybody watches you strangely, because you
have to imagine I trained as a 30 year old with

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kids that are from nine to 12 years old and are
much more flexible are already professionals.

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And you feel like an old woman really,
literally again, right next to them.

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00:19:08,259 –> 00:19:14,319
And yeah, this, this, this, this is not really
helping a lot to make sure you feel amazing what

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you do because in the beginning you feel where you
are and you are not yet there where you should be.

348
00:19:19,899 –> 00:19:24,789
If your body is doing it, what you ask it, then it is.

349
00:19:24,789 –> 00:19:24,999
Yeah.

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It gives you, it gives you the strength to, to go
through that process and to say it to yourself.

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Anyway.

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I know where I am is not there yet, but I’m on a good way.

353
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I’m on the right road to success.

354
00:19:35,769 –> 00:19:36,039
Yes.

355
00:19:36,539 –> 00:19:40,979
It’s very inspiring what you say because it’s, it
sounds kind of, for me, I might be wrong of course,

356
00:19:40,979 –> 00:19:46,919
but it sounds kind of for me that when you were six,
you had this dream of a ballet dancer, and then you

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outgrew that dream when you were 30 going there.

358
00:19:50,189 –> 00:19:55,769
So you go to China and went on the next stage of your life.

359
00:19:56,439 –> 00:19:58,539
Actually, it’s not really correct.

360
00:19:58,569 –> 00:19:59,919
I didn’t know, valley yet.

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00:20:00,159 –> 00:20:04,869
I saw a stage performance and they did ballet as
well, but it was kind of a musical performance.

362
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So the only thing I wanted to really,
it was on stage to be on stage.

363
00:20:08,979 –> 00:20:11,049
It was not particularly, I want to be a ballerina.

364
00:20:11,079 –> 00:20:15,129
I didn’t even know what is ballet, but I of course
then started ballet because a kid, as a kid, you

365
00:20:15,129 –> 00:20:17,559
cannot, where do you, where should you start?

366
00:20:17,559 –> 00:20:21,069
Usually you start with ballet
or something like a basic, yeah.

367
00:20:21,969 –> 00:20:22,269
Yes.

368
00:20:22,269 –> 00:20:26,379
The ballet dream came really strong when
I was 14, because I had to decide, okay.

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Do I want to go on with this musical
school, with this musical comedy school or.

370
00:20:31,524 –> 00:20:35,784
Do I have to change and I had to change the
school because I was in a kind of not good school.

371
00:20:36,354 –> 00:20:38,934
Then I knew at the age of 14, yes.

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I want to be a ballet dancer or the new it, but I was
technically not so good because I missed a lot of technique.

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The school didn’t give this technique to me.

374
00:20:46,944 –> 00:20:50,274
They, the ballet school I was attending was not really good.

375
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So at 14 I realized I have to change schools
and learn a lot of things only at the age.

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17.

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00:20:57,669 –> 00:21:02,919
I became kind of a professional in my ballet
education, which is a really late age.

378
00:21:03,049 –> 00:21:06,039
Usually when I came, I went to the ballet school in Berlin.

379
00:21:06,069 –> 00:21:07,689
This is a professional state ballet school.

380
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I’m happy that they took me because actually they
took me at the age of almost 18, which is the age.

381
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Usually you finish the school.

382
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So I had three years to run after my skills
and to learn what I didn’t learn before.

383
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And this was my valley dream.

384
00:21:22,224 –> 00:21:22,524
Really.

385
00:21:22,524 –> 00:21:24,264
I said to him, I said, I have to make it.

386
00:21:24,294 –> 00:21:26,304
I have to make it, but maybe it was a little bit.

387
00:21:27,549 –> 00:21:32,619
Maybe I should be more relaxed in this time, but at the
same time, I couldn’t, I, I absolutely wanted this ballet or

388
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they wanted to, to run after the things I didn’t learn yet.

389
00:21:36,939 –> 00:21:42,159
I had to learn so much and yeah, this
was my kind of like first big dream.

390
00:21:42,729 –> 00:21:44,949
And the second victory was, yeah, the contortion.

391
00:21:44,979 –> 00:21:45,789
Yes, you’re right.

392
00:21:46,149 –> 00:21:49,359
Or let’s say first the stage then
the ballet then the contortion.

393
00:21:49,749 –> 00:21:50,139
Yes.

394
00:21:51,509 –> 00:21:55,829
So maybe it was more kind of, you
discovered what really is your thing.

395
00:21:56,739 –> 00:21:56,889
Right.

396
00:21:56,919 –> 00:21:57,519
Exactly.

397
00:21:57,549 –> 00:21:58,249
That’s the process.

398
00:21:58,269 –> 00:21:58,329
Yeah.

399
00:22:01,368 –> 00:22:07,148
that feels very strong, because also you described
before you were not so self confident, but when

400
00:22:07,148 –> 00:22:09,758
you come back, you are so full of self-confidence.

401
00:22:09,758 –> 00:22:11,828
You still don’t have a show.

402
00:22:11,858 –> 00:22:13,718
You still don’t have the new audience.

403
00:22:13,748 –> 00:22:17,528
People know you for something else, but
you are actually the way I understood it.

404
00:22:17,528 –> 00:22:18,488
You didn’t have a doubt.

405
00:22:19,543 –> 00:22:25,043
Of course there were doubts because when you send your
video out to every director in this world and every

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00:22:25,043 –> 00:22:30,653
teenager and stuff, and nothing really comes back except
of one answer, they say, I want to try it with you.

407
00:22:30,683 –> 00:22:37,223
This was my first management then of course you
think maybe I’m not yet there, but I felt maybe when

408
00:22:37,223 –> 00:22:42,493
I changed my act, which was pretty long, the video
I sent was about 10 minutes, which is way too long.

409
00:22:42,913 –> 00:22:44,053
And then.

410
00:22:44,858 –> 00:22:48,128
It doesn’t matter because you need
only one person believing in you.

411
00:22:48,548 –> 00:22:49,448
When you want to make it.

412
00:22:50,048 –> 00:22:51,398
You don’t need hundreds that love it.

413
00:22:51,398 –> 00:22:53,318
You in the beginning, one person is enough.

414
00:22:53,318 –> 00:22:58,778
So this person I had and through her,
I got a job in a casino in Portugal.

415
00:22:58,808 –> 00:23:01,628
They wanted me as a contortionist,
but they said, Nina, we love you.

416
00:23:01,628 –> 00:23:03,218
But your act is pretty slow.

417
00:23:03,218 –> 00:23:05,738
Can you maybe do something that fits more casino?

418
00:23:05,738 –> 00:23:10,838
You know, and this was the point that I thought, okay,
casino, you have three days to make a number of what I do.

419
00:23:11,738 –> 00:23:13,448
In this time was James Bond.

420
00:23:14,768 –> 00:23:15,578
very popular.

421
00:23:15,698 –> 00:23:19,238
And I said, oh, casino, maybe it should be a bond girl.

422
00:23:19,778 –> 00:23:22,688
The second thought was, which music can I take?

423
00:23:22,688 –> 00:23:27,668
So I did a connect call it collection of musics
from public James Bond to Tina Turner Goldeneye.

424
00:23:28,118 –> 00:23:30,968
And then I said, okay, Goldeneye, my costume must be golden.

425
00:23:31,418 –> 00:23:34,928
So this, this act was pretty fast that I invented it.

426
00:23:35,993 –> 00:23:37,223
And it’s weird.

427
00:23:37,283 –> 00:23:43,283
I think it was the most successful ever in this
short time I did this act and since then I went to

428
00:23:43,283 –> 00:23:49,403
festivals with it and this was the point where it
started to be successful because I had the right act

429
00:23:49,403 –> 00:23:52,253
for my skills and for what I could offer in this time.

430
00:23:53,183 –> 00:24:00,653
And I think by then I got confidence because first time in
my life, I was awarded with some festival prizes and stuff

431
00:24:00,653 –> 00:24:03,173
like that, which never happened as a dancer, as a dancer.

432
00:24:03,173 –> 00:24:05,783
I was always running after my technique and stuff like that.

433
00:24:06,233 –> 00:24:10,823
And it was pretty like, oh my God, maybe I’m
not that bad, you know, so it could, could work.

434
00:24:11,123 –> 00:24:12,223
And then.

435
00:24:13,103 –> 00:24:13,793
Yes.

436
00:24:13,793 –> 00:24:15,023
One came after the next.

437
00:24:15,023 –> 00:24:16,373
So I knew I’m in the right place.

438
00:24:16,403 –> 00:24:17,453
Now I’m in the right place.

439
00:24:17,513 –> 00:24:21,863
And in the right material, you say in English
or in French, the contortion is good for me.

440
00:24:22,073 –> 00:24:27,023
So this was actually the proof when it started to work,
because I had the right act to offer to the people.

441
00:24:27,733 –> 00:24:33,553
So yeah, kind of the confirmation that, what’s
what what’s bringing you onto this path.

442
00:24:33,583 –> 00:24:33,853
Okay.

443
00:24:33,913 –> 00:24:35,803
I like continue this path to the whiteboards.

444
00:24:36,563 –> 00:24:41,423
I think, um, for everybody that wants to make
it, somehow you have to analyze very strongly,

445
00:24:41,423 –> 00:24:43,973
what do I have to offer and what the people want.

446
00:24:44,453 –> 00:24:47,993
If this comes together and it fits, then you have success.

447
00:24:48,023 –> 00:24:53,333
If you have a great thing to offer and nobody
wants it or knows it, you cannot have success.

448
00:24:53,363 –> 00:24:58,343
Or if some people want something else from you that
you cannot offer, you will also not have success.

449
00:24:58,343 –> 00:25:01,103
So it has to be really that you analyze it a little bit.

450
00:25:01,463 –> 00:25:01,733
Okay.

451
00:25:01,733 –> 00:25:02,173
I want to do.

452
00:25:03,023 –> 00:25:03,953
I can do this.

453
00:25:03,983 –> 00:25:05,993
What, what is the offer I have?

454
00:25:05,993 –> 00:25:08,693
And you make a little package, which you have to sell.

455
00:25:08,723 –> 00:25:09,263
Otherwise.

456
00:25:09,953 –> 00:25:10,733
Nobody knows it.

457
00:25:10,733 –> 00:25:12,323
Nobody will buy you.

458
00:25:12,323 –> 00:25:14,183
And this is actually the business, which is sad.

459
00:25:14,183 –> 00:25:17,243
Sometimes people think, oh, I’m such a
good contortionists, or I’m such a good

460
00:25:17,483 –> 00:25:19,943
whatever lawyer and stuff, but nothing works.

461
00:25:20,123 –> 00:25:20,423
So that.

462
00:25:21,788 –> 00:25:25,868
There is one component in the process
that is not yet there where it should be.

463
00:25:26,768 –> 00:25:27,128
Yeah.

464
00:25:27,418 –> 00:25:27,598
Yeah.

465
00:25:27,658 –> 00:25:33,238
So basically you found the sweet spot in the
casino when they ask you between what you can do.

466
00:25:33,298 –> 00:25:39,358
And so what is asked of you, and then you had only a few
days time and you to make sure it had to get right, right.

467
00:25:39,358 –> 00:25:43,858
Offer for them or the right act that they are happy
that otherwise they would have not have the job

468
00:25:43,888 –> 00:25:48,298
because they said to me, we like you, but we cannot
take you with that act you have with that number.

469
00:25:48,913 –> 00:25:52,003
And that means, I said, yeah, of course
I have another act, which is not true.

470
00:25:52,243 –> 00:25:55,843
I just invented it by the time they asked
me, and then I sent the video two days

471
00:25:55,843 –> 00:25:58,063
later saying this is Mack, I’m a bond girl.

472
00:25:58,213 –> 00:25:59,533
And then they said, oh, this is great.

473
00:25:59,533 –> 00:26:00,553
This fits our casino.

474
00:26:00,883 –> 00:26:03,493
And then it started to work actually.

475
00:26:03,553 –> 00:26:06,403
Yes, that did the jobs there, the request.

476
00:26:07,703 –> 00:26:08,113
Great.

477
00:26:08,173 –> 00:26:13,213
What would you call the turning
point of, of, of in this whole story?

478
00:26:13,213 –> 00:26:19,663
Is it China or was it in the casino or what’s the other
turning points that were really important for you?

479
00:26:21,173 –> 00:26:22,883
The big confirmation.

480
00:26:22,973 –> 00:26:27,113
And for me, an unbelievable thing happened
when I did the casting show in the TV.

481
00:26:27,713 –> 00:26:29,843
This was two years after this James Bond act.

482
00:26:29,963 –> 00:26:35,963
And I had pretty much experienced then by then,
because I did that James Bond number a lot and then

483
00:26:35,963 –> 00:26:39,803
came a request from Swiss television, you know,
do you want to join a Switzerland called talent?

484
00:26:39,863 –> 00:26:44,833
And I was like, yeah, by this time it was a little, yeah.

485
00:26:46,013 –> 00:26:47,783
Not good for us artists to do it.

486
00:26:47,783 –> 00:26:49,193
We set amongst each other.

487
00:26:49,193 –> 00:26:51,533
We set on all casting shows are not good for us.

488
00:26:51,533 –> 00:26:52,193
We should not do it.

489
00:26:52,223 –> 00:26:54,413
We are professionals and not, yes.

490
00:26:54,863 –> 00:26:59,813
But I said to myself, accosting show can be a big chance
to be seen by a lot of people, which are never actually

491
00:26:59,813 –> 00:27:03,353
touching the surrogates or never touching the, our industry.

492
00:27:03,863 –> 00:27:06,593
And I just said, let’s see, I just do it.

493
00:27:06,593 –> 00:27:07,493
I cannot lose anything.

494
00:27:08,453 –> 00:27:11,843
So I signed in and I told him, yeah, I going to come.

495
00:27:11,843 –> 00:27:13,403
And then they gave me a day to perform.

496
00:27:13,403 –> 00:27:16,073
And then I did that and there was really not good at that.

497
00:27:16,133 –> 00:27:20,783
At that day, I felt almost sick because I had
another show and I was like, should I go or not?

498
00:27:21,173 –> 00:27:23,933
But luckily I did it because this
was actually my most success.

499
00:27:24,638 –> 00:27:28,478
I can say, I went second in this, in this whole competition.

500
00:27:28,508 –> 00:27:29,708
I second place.

501
00:27:30,098 –> 00:27:34,268
And in the end, it doesn’t really matter if you win or
not, because people have seen you so many times and either

502
00:27:34,268 –> 00:27:37,118
they love you or they don’t, but you have a big audience.

503
00:27:37,148 –> 00:27:39,698
And I think this was also the first time that I had.

504
00:27:41,228 –> 00:27:42,938
Let’s say my backpack was ready.

505
00:27:43,028 –> 00:27:48,218
I had a lot of skills in my backpack, my wheel
to, to go out there and show my stuff was ready

506
00:27:48,488 –> 00:27:53,768
and my performance was ready to make sure I can
now do my show professionally around the world.

507
00:27:54,338 –> 00:27:59,678
And I, the reason I say that is third winner
in this show was a singer, an opera singer.

508
00:27:59,678 –> 00:28:04,958
She was actually a bus driver, singing opera, like an
angel, really good, but she was unfortunately not ready.

509
00:28:05,288 –> 00:28:11,303
She was winning and then was kind of like,
Ooh, And by the time she wake up of this dream,

510
00:28:12,173 –> 00:28:14,843
this, the demand after her was already over.

511
00:28:14,843 –> 00:28:17,153
So when you do this show, you have a chance.

512
00:28:17,633 –> 00:28:24,713
And I think this was a turning point in, because I used to
this chance I went there, I did it, and it was a success.

513
00:28:24,713 –> 00:28:30,983
And this was the first time I had this really prove also,
uh, people like what I do, the normal people like it.

514
00:28:31,013 –> 00:28:31,393
And then.

515
00:28:32,783 –> 00:28:36,173
Yeah, it, it can give you so much, so much, or, or not.

516
00:28:36,773 –> 00:28:42,623
When I see the winner, now she’s still looking for her
way to go, but she had all the things, actually, she

517
00:28:42,623 –> 00:28:44,903
had it all, but she didn’t realize what to do with it.

518
00:28:44,993 –> 00:28:47,753
Every chance that comes along the way can be a chance to.

519
00:28:48,458 –> 00:28:52,328
On the, on the, on the train and
try fast, but you have to do it.

520
00:28:52,358 –> 00:28:57,278
And also this was a time when people told me, no,
you should not do a costing show is maybe not good.

521
00:28:57,278 –> 00:29:00,538
Maybe they, they make sure they,
they last about you or something.

522
00:29:00,698 –> 00:29:05,288
I said, I have to make sure I know, you know,
otherwise I, I will always ask myself if it will

523
00:29:05,288 –> 00:29:11,198
be the right thing and I’m happy I did it because
then I knew it was the right thing for me to do.

524
00:29:11,288 –> 00:29:13,008
And this was this turning point where.

525
00:29:13,878 –> 00:29:19,028
Let’s say my art, which is an art usually known
by circus performance, which are Chinese people.

526
00:29:19,418 –> 00:29:20,888
You see only in circus.

527
00:29:21,338 –> 00:29:27,338
I think I helped in Switzerland a little bit to make
sure that we are, as artists are seen as, as popular

528
00:29:27,338 –> 00:29:30,818
entertainment that you can book for galas events.

529
00:29:30,878 –> 00:29:35,318
And yeah, this is a good feeling that
you can do something for your people.

530
00:29:35,348 –> 00:29:38,888
Also, usually all these singers were winning
this show and I was always winning as a

531
00:29:38,888 –> 00:29:40,538
photojournalist, which is, which is cool.

532
00:29:41,483 –> 00:29:42,533
So cause before Ms.

533
00:29:42,563 –> 00:29:42,893
Yeah.

534
00:29:43,343 –> 00:29:44,453
And so when was that?

535
00:29:44,993 –> 00:29:45,623
Approximately?

536
00:29:46,343 –> 00:29:48,223
10 years ago, actually 10 years ago.

537
00:29:48,393 –> 00:29:51,443
So it was like three, four years into your career?

538
00:29:52,423 –> 00:29:54,133
I left China in 2008.

539
00:29:54,223 –> 00:29:54,883
Yes, you’re right.

540
00:29:54,883 –> 00:29:55,393
Four years ago.

541
00:29:56,378 –> 00:29:57,218
I see years later.

542
00:29:57,278 –> 00:30:01,358
And what was, I mean, again, you
did this second time, at least.

543
00:30:01,358 –> 00:30:05,648
So the second time that I hear it, that
everyone tells you, no, don’t do this.

544
00:30:05,648 –> 00:30:10,808
It’s not good for you, or you’re not going to be successful,
whatever it was now in this certain situation and you still

545
00:30:10,808 –> 00:30:14,528
did it, what what’s, what drove you to make this decision?

546
00:30:16,448 –> 00:30:19,358
I knew I can offer on the TV
television, something very cool.

547
00:30:19,358 –> 00:30:20,348
Which Switzerland doesn’t though.

548
00:30:21,338 –> 00:30:23,768
And I didn’t want to wait for somebody else doing it.

549
00:30:23,798 –> 00:30:25,568
So what holds me back to do it?

550
00:30:25,568 –> 00:30:26,318
I don’t have a reason.

551
00:30:26,468 –> 00:30:28,838
My manager was just, I was very shy.

552
00:30:28,868 –> 00:30:31,418
That’s why she said maybe you should wait.

553
00:30:31,508 –> 00:30:32,648
Maybe you should not do it.

554
00:30:32,648 –> 00:30:34,898
Maybe it could be a bad experience.

555
00:30:34,928 –> 00:30:36,368
Well, if you think like that, you should.

556
00:30:36,908 –> 00:30:40,688
You should not even go on there on the street because
it could be a bad experience crossing a street.

557
00:30:40,688 –> 00:30:42,278
You maybe a car comes.

558
00:30:42,698 –> 00:30:44,348
So I was convinced, okay.

559
00:30:44,438 –> 00:30:47,648
I just felt this inner voice says to me, I should do it.

560
00:30:47,648 –> 00:30:50,618
And it was not bad to listen to it since 2008.

561
00:30:50,618 –> 00:30:52,058
So I thought I have to do it, you know?

562
00:30:52,118 –> 00:30:54,938
And then the funny thing is when I became secondary.

563
00:30:55,658 –> 00:31:01,028
A year later, my manager, two years later, she was not
my manager anymore, but she sent all the people that she

564
00:31:01,028 –> 00:31:04,208
manages to do the show because she thought Nina made it.

565
00:31:04,208 –> 00:31:05,528
So you guys have to make it too.

566
00:31:05,738 –> 00:31:09,038
But which is a little bit ridiculous
because everyone is not the same person.

567
00:31:09,038 –> 00:31:11,108
So some people don’t want to do this.

568
00:31:11,108 –> 00:31:15,448
Don’t want to have exposure like this in front
of a jury, which is not even professionally

569
00:31:15,458 –> 00:31:17,168
to, she read us know about circus.

570
00:31:17,198 –> 00:31:21,368
Of course you should know for yourself, if it’s
the right thing, I don’t recommend it for everyone.

571
00:31:21,368 –> 00:31:21,758
So.

572
00:31:25,353 –> 00:31:32,043
So, what do you think, like you’ve experienced a lot
of things and you’re a high performer in your art.

573
00:31:32,133 –> 00:31:33,843
And so do something very special.

574
00:31:33,903 –> 00:31:35,093
And I believe that.

575
00:31:36,128 –> 00:31:41,948
People like you, they can, can translate
what their art is into other areas of life.

576
00:31:42,638 –> 00:31:49,088
So into other aspects of anyone who’s, high-performing
in what they do, you can learn from them when it

577
00:31:49,088 –> 00:31:55,388
comes to when you see your friends who are not
artists, for example, or people that are not artists

578
00:31:55,568 –> 00:31:57,698
from all walks of life could be from business.

579
00:31:57,728 –> 00:31:59,528
It could be from politics.

580
00:31:59,528 –> 00:32:00,668
It could be from anything.

581
00:32:00,698 –> 00:32:01,508
What do you think.

582
00:32:02,273 –> 00:32:09,023
It is that you, as an individual can share
from your story, but also from, from, from

583
00:32:09,023 –> 00:32:12,443
your art, what can other people learn from it?

584
00:32:12,943 –> 00:32:20,503
Daring things therein to, to believe in you and
your skills and not always listen to everybody else

585
00:32:20,503 –> 00:32:26,713
because sometimes your inner voice is very strong and
very, or also also silent, but it’s there and people.

586
00:32:28,013 –> 00:32:32,393
They have all the apps on their phones and they tell
the apps, tell them what to do every single day.

587
00:32:32,633 –> 00:32:38,603
But I believe there is another app other side, which
is the side go inside of you and listen, what is there?

588
00:32:38,603 –> 00:32:42,343
Because there’s so many things
and we, this inner voice and this.

589
00:32:42,923 –> 00:32:44,183
This guidance.

590
00:32:44,663 –> 00:32:50,393
So we rather learn a rather go to the doctor,
giving us pills to do, to re recover from something,

591
00:32:50,393 –> 00:32:52,373
instead of saying, okay, why did this happen?

592
00:32:52,433 –> 00:33:02,263
You know, like questioning things and yes, things
not only blind doing what everybody else says, but

593
00:33:02,263 –> 00:33:04,573
also a little bit step back and reflect, you know?

594
00:33:04,573 –> 00:33:09,133
And then, you know, it’s usually the
answer, but sometimes you, you don’t try.

595
00:33:10,058 –> 00:33:15,038
Your your strength and that you can do it or
so, so I think I can teach those people that

596
00:33:15,068 –> 00:33:21,608
are normal people or people in normal jobs with
my experiences a little bit more to do that.

597
00:33:22,908 –> 00:33:25,188
You talk a lot now about inner voice.

598
00:33:25,218 –> 00:33:32,808
Is there specific methods how you cultivated it in the
past, or is it something that you just had inside of you?

599
00:33:33,908 –> 00:33:37,448
When I start my training, when I
start my training, now I’m very much.

600
00:33:38,333 –> 00:33:43,973
Excited because I had so many things happening in
one day that first of all, everything is in my brain.

601
00:33:44,003 –> 00:33:44,393
Okay.

602
00:33:44,753 –> 00:33:49,553
My training takes about three to four hours, which sounds
a lot, but it’s a lot of training, like very slow training.

603
00:33:49,553 –> 00:33:57,723
So it’s not like a sprint or something that means from
this big things in my head, I transfer my, my thoughts

604
00:33:57,723 –> 00:34:00,323
a little bit into energy that goes into it, buddy.

605
00:34:00,333 –> 00:34:02,453
And then I feel very much connected.

606
00:34:02,873 –> 00:34:08,573
That means people nowadays, they sit all day, they
go home and they sit because they eat their dinner.

607
00:34:08,633 –> 00:34:13,163
They go in front of the television, they
still sit and still only nourish their brains.

608
00:34:13,583 –> 00:34:19,033
And I think we have to learn to more
go into our bodies and discover things.

609
00:34:20,048 –> 00:34:23,558
Because when I have a lot of sorts and
a lot of maybe also negative thoughts or

610
00:34:23,558 –> 00:34:25,508
negative or positive, it doesn’t matter.

611
00:34:25,838 –> 00:34:30,188
And a lot of things only now you have to do this
and that, oh, tomorrow is that day or tomorrow.

612
00:34:30,878 –> 00:34:34,718
Then suddenly you have to start a
little bit breathing and calm down.

613
00:34:34,928 –> 00:34:38,498
And people normally do that with alcohol
or a cigarette or going out as friends.

614
00:34:38,738 –> 00:34:40,538
But this is still an aspect that.

615
00:34:41,378 –> 00:34:48,098
Ex exterior, exterior entertainment, or you do
some, you do not something good for your body,

616
00:34:48,278 –> 00:34:53,528
but when you move, when you start learning
about your body, let’s say, example is yoga.

617
00:34:53,558 –> 00:34:54,158
Good example.

618
00:34:55,508 –> 00:34:58,958
I think then you can discover much
more what your body tells you.

619
00:34:59,288 –> 00:35:02,108
It sounds a little bit esoteric,
but it’s really, really true.

620
00:35:02,168 –> 00:35:03,158
I’m not the same person.

621
00:35:03,158 –> 00:35:04,268
When I start my training.

622
00:35:04,358 –> 00:35:06,578
As when I enter my training, I’m very calm.

623
00:35:06,578 –> 00:35:12,968
And sometimes 50% of the things I was busy with in my head
in the beginning of my training are not even important

624
00:35:12,968 –> 00:35:16,928
anymore because I know tomorrow is another day I can do it.

625
00:35:17,318 –> 00:35:17,888
It’s okay.

626
00:35:18,338 –> 00:35:25,073
And I know also when I did my trip, What my skills are, and
this gives me a lot of strength to say, I have my skills.

627
00:35:25,103 –> 00:35:25,643
This is okay.

628
00:35:25,643 –> 00:35:26,123
It’s enough.

629
00:35:27,023 –> 00:35:27,383
Yeah.

630
00:35:28,298 –> 00:35:28,438
Yeah.

631
00:35:28,478 –> 00:35:35,738
So kind of you bring from your head, everything goes down
into your body and at the same time, your self confidence

632
00:35:35,738 –> 00:35:40,228
again, rises through the yes, it’s con it makes to calmer.

633
00:35:40,348 –> 00:35:43,108
That’s why I recommend moving that people should dance.

634
00:35:43,108 –> 00:35:48,868
They should go show to do jokings in the, in the woods or
whatever things that you do for yourself and your body.

635
00:35:49,108 –> 00:35:53,248
I think this can help a lot too,
to calm down and to, to forget it.

636
00:35:53,248 –> 00:35:53,848
Not as I forget.

637
00:35:54,788 –> 00:36:00,338
The things that you’re busy with, that you make your energy
stop, maybe because your energy is very tense sometimes

638
00:36:00,338 –> 00:36:06,458
in your job that you can calm down a little bit more
relaxed because everything I do when I’m not relaxed, I

639
00:36:06,458 –> 00:36:14,528
cannot bend my body or fold my body as I do when I’m very
much intention in the first hour of my training, I could

640
00:36:14,528 –> 00:36:17,588
not, I not the same as in the fourth hours where I’m.

641
00:36:18,833 –> 00:36:23,483
And this guy, the softness goes from the brain into
the, into the legs and into everywhere, everywhere.

642
00:36:23,513 –> 00:36:26,483
So it’s very important to the process.

643
00:36:26,483 –> 00:36:28,703
It doesn’t have to be four hours a day for a normal person.

644
00:36:28,703 –> 00:36:31,223
Of course, some people call it meditation.

645
00:36:31,253 –> 00:36:33,563
They sit there and they go inside
themselves and they breathe.

646
00:36:34,433 –> 00:36:35,693
But I have to experience it.

647
00:36:35,693 –> 00:36:39,323
A lot of people cannot do that because
they even more half brain thoughts.

648
00:36:39,323 –> 00:36:44,333
Then when I do that and sit there and are even more
intention, because I think I just sit here and do nothing.

649
00:36:44,483 –> 00:36:44,933
Oh my God.

650
00:36:45,893 –> 00:36:49,793
You know, it’s, it’s, it’s very, very
difficult to teach somebody that is never

651
00:36:49,793 –> 00:36:52,793
doing something with its body to go there.

652
00:36:53,843 –> 00:36:59,083
Well, I’d just say, try, try some sports that you like,
that you can see the difference you were basically

653
00:36:59,083 –> 00:37:02,953
went on to this new path 13 years ago, 14 years ago.

654
00:37:03,613 –> 00:37:12,253
And just imagine yourself now in 13 years from
now, looking back, that’s a, the pandemic.

655
00:37:13,173 –> 00:37:15,153
What had changed for you in your life?

656
00:37:15,813 –> 00:37:23,703
And it also sounded a bit like you are now also perhaps
moving on to a next stage in your life, in your career.

657
00:37:23,823 –> 00:37:32,673
So if you imagine yourself 13 years from now thinking
of this time, 2020, the pandemic, you calmed down 2021,

658
00:37:33,683 –> 00:37:36,803
from that perspective, what do you think has been.

659
00:37:37,643 –> 00:37:37,973
Yeah.

660
00:37:38,303 –> 00:37:38,963
Oh my God.

661
00:37:39,413 –> 00:37:45,943
I hope in 13 years I have fallen something that is
of course, less physical and still making me very

662
00:37:45,943 –> 00:37:48,943
happy body work will always be involved in my life.

663
00:37:48,973 –> 00:37:49,603
That’s for sure.

664
00:37:49,633 –> 00:37:55,783
I cannot live without moving, but of course not in the
extent that not even Intermountain, I’m doing it now because

665
00:37:55,783 –> 00:37:59,893
now four hours a day is full profession and performing.

666
00:37:59,983 –> 00:38:00,463
I give myself.

667
00:38:01,193 –> 00:38:03,503
I always plan for two years, two more years.

668
00:38:03,923 –> 00:38:04,853
That means I left.

669
00:38:04,943 –> 00:38:08,933
I lost a lot already one and a half a
year with the Corona crisis pandemic.

670
00:38:08,963 –> 00:38:14,783
So I hope that I can do this for
until 45 healthy and happily then.

671
00:38:16,268 –> 00:38:23,708
I hope I can still be on stage, but maybe with a little bit
more other aspects, like a speech speeches, speaker, a host.

672
00:38:24,038 –> 00:38:29,798
I have a, an offer as for a host job in television
from Switzerland, which is very interesting.

673
00:38:29,798 –> 00:38:30,908
So I’m going to maybe present.

674
00:38:30,998 –> 00:38:35,708
It’s not sure yet, but I’m going to maybe
present cultural scenes is, could be a way to go.

675
00:38:35,708 –> 00:38:38,838
That is very interesting for me to,
to bring the art I’m actually living.

676
00:38:39,833 –> 00:38:41,063
So the people, what happens?

677
00:38:41,063 –> 00:38:42,833
What, what, what, what can they see every single day?

678
00:38:42,833 –> 00:38:44,663
He said, music is a theater or something like that.

679
00:38:45,203 –> 00:38:50,123
And yeah, in 13 years, I hope I’m still
happy with my, my boyfriend or my husband.

680
00:38:50,123 –> 00:38:57,443
And I gonna look back and say, admin established
woman in whatever I, I love to do, because I think

681
00:38:57,443 –> 00:38:59,933
that’s the most important to love what you do.

682
00:39:00,013 –> 00:39:00,893
Doesn’t matter what it is.

683
00:39:04,663 –> 00:39:11,053
So, um, I mean, you’ve talked a lot about paradigms
already in a way throughout our conversation.

684
00:39:11,443 –> 00:39:16,423
Is there any other paradigms that you want
to add that you think need to be challenged?

685
00:39:16,423 –> 00:39:21,943
So definitely you talked about what people believe in that
they can achieve at the certain age and things like that.

686
00:39:22,003 –> 00:39:28,383
At least when it comes to the body, the mind, or
other aspects of life, basically, that you feel.

687
00:39:28,978 –> 00:39:34,378
People really should challenge these paradigms
that we have in society and the world.

688
00:39:36,108 –> 00:39:42,588
I think everything, every change has to start
somewhere, but I think we should, as an, as a company,

689
00:39:43,373 –> 00:39:46,463
As people, every country should start with the kids.

690
00:39:46,703 –> 00:39:49,523
Kids are nowadays not moving anymore.

691
00:39:49,643 –> 00:39:50,573
And it starts to problem.

692
00:39:50,573 –> 00:39:51,563
Start there already.

693
00:39:52,013 –> 00:39:54,263
They are not well-balanced inside their bodies.

694
00:39:54,263 –> 00:39:56,543
They’re always like too much with their energy.

695
00:39:56,543 –> 00:39:58,613
They cannot go anywhere because they don’t move.

696
00:39:59,723 –> 00:40:02,243
They have to sit in class all day long learning things.

697
00:40:02,243 –> 00:40:05,573
But where is the, where is the gymnastic class or to move?

698
00:40:06,083 –> 00:40:06,323
And I think.

699
00:40:06,933 –> 00:40:13,713
We have to find a way that the program for these
kids is already so well balanced that as when they

700
00:40:13,713 –> 00:40:19,503
are adults, that they know about their bodies,
as much as they know mathematics or languages.

701
00:40:20,433 –> 00:40:24,543
And I always say, I always say, Hey, do you know
any politician that knows to knew her hands?

702
00:40:25,403 –> 00:40:27,953
And people don’t have, of course,
no, to say yes, of course not.

703
00:40:28,073 –> 00:40:28,493
Why?

704
00:40:28,703 –> 00:40:29,483
Because they should do.

705
00:40:29,483 –> 00:40:31,903
And then every single day, this is the same.

706
00:40:31,963 –> 00:40:36,073
This is the same skill level that
you should have, like the brain.

707
00:40:36,313 –> 00:40:42,073
And I think this could be an aspect that we should
work on to educate the people in a way that they

708
00:40:42,073 –> 00:40:44,773
get back to their bodies at a very early age.

709
00:40:45,163 –> 00:40:48,103
And we sh we could avoid a lot of violence in this world.

710
00:40:49,013 –> 00:40:53,213
A lot of people that are, don’t know where to go
with their energy, don’t have a goal in their life.

711
00:40:53,243 –> 00:40:56,963
I think when you move your body,
you suddenly maybe have a hobby.

712
00:40:56,993 –> 00:41:01,613
You suddenly maybe go to football class or
do you go to gymnastics or you go to ballet,

713
00:41:01,643 –> 00:41:04,073
whatever it is, you have a goal maybe.

714
00:41:04,073 –> 00:41:06,263
And, and the, and something that guides you.

715
00:41:07,103 –> 00:41:11,963
I see a lot of kids that have, they don’t have that
anymore, especially through the Corona crisis and pandemic.

716
00:41:12,643 –> 00:41:14,863
They lost completely where they want to go.

717
00:41:15,043 –> 00:41:16,153
And this is very dangerous.

718
00:41:16,153 –> 00:41:20,653
I think this is more dangerous than having
Corona to not know what’s going on in my life.

719
00:41:20,683 –> 00:41:21,673
Where do I want to go?

720
00:41:21,763 –> 00:41:23,203
I might actually worse anything.

721
00:41:23,713 –> 00:41:28,923
And all these questions should ask we as a
population should work very hard on that.

722
00:41:32,308 –> 00:41:33,478
My final question.

723
00:41:33,538 –> 00:41:39,898
I always like to ask, um, new look back, not now
from 13 years from now, but a hundred years from now.

724
00:41:39,928 –> 00:41:42,178
Maybe not you, but your children or grandchildren.

725
00:41:42,928 –> 00:41:44,228
And when they talk about.

726
00:41:45,363 –> 00:41:48,753
So what, what do you want people to remember you for?

727
00:41:49,643 –> 00:41:49,883
Okay.

728
00:41:49,943 –> 00:41:56,753
Maybe she showed to the world that at the age of 90,
you can still do a split and you can still do a bridge.

729
00:41:57,893 –> 00:42:03,533
She showed the world that it’s never too late to move
your body and to believe in your skills and your dreams.

730
00:42:04,463 –> 00:42:04,883
Yes.

731
00:42:06,503 –> 00:42:07,313
Thank you very much.

732
00:42:07,313 –> 00:42:08,903
It was very inspiring conversation.

733
00:42:09,323 –> 00:42:09,923
Thank you.

734
00:42:10,583 –> 00:42:11,513
I wish you a great day.

735
00:42:12,083 –> 00:42:12,503
You too.

736
00:42:12,503 –> 00:42:13,013
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737
00:42:16,770 –> 00:42:20,970
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738
00:42:21,450 –> 00:42:25,710
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