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Welcome to challenging paradigm X.

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How can we understand consciousness and the nature of
reality from the scientific and spiritual perspective.

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Do we need science to become more holistic and
our competition and cooperation opposites.

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My guest today is Daniel Dick.

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He has a background in system science Consciousness
research anthropology, holistic medicine, sexual

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pedagogy, and consultancy and management.

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He’s driven by his curiosity and extensively
traveled to explore various cultures, different

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spiritual paths and holistic healing techniques,
as well as altered states of consciousness

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makes sense about experiences and human diet.

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He helps others to move to a meaningful and healthy
co-creation and he organized several conferences

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and symposia around his topics is also a co-author
of the book, sex, masculinity, and goals.

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So if you’re interested to find out more about
his understanding of consciousness from a

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scientific and spiritual perspective, stay tuned.

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Hello, Danielle, I’m happy to have you hear my podcast.

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Uh, please introduce yourself.

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Who are you and what do you do?

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Hi.

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Nice to see you again.

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My name is Daniel, Daniel, and Dick.

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I have like different facets right now.

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I’m in a Buddhist center, practicing Tibetan, Buddhism
as like my main thing here in the COVID times.

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What’s the best thing to really
go into retreat and go inside.

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And.

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Having spent much time in the garden.

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And meanwhile, we’re working on some
publications, some projects to finish.

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So I’ve been author before coming here.

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I was much more into organizing
institutions around consciousness.

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And I co-founded two institutions around consciousness
studies and I have been many years in system science.

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So my, my past has been very much their academic
career, trying to combine one hand, you know,

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consciousness, spirituality, knowledge about, about
the mind, about how does a world actually work.

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If we.

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See them as something that we are able to get to know.

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So that was like my, my academic path
coming from social contract anthropology.

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I always focusing religion and consciousness
studies and the bone I, like I said, doing

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photography, but that’s only on the side.

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This has been like my main amateur.

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I have noticed a bit in consulting.

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So bit into hardest copy, especially
the mine, the mine system on.

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Enthusiastic about the Mayan calendar
and teach some people about that.

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And privately or south Panola was kind of involved
into like healing arts, like holistic healing arts, and

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trying OSA to, to combine this with the signs that I had.

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I wanted to do a PhD about that, but actually
no work out and it was better like that.

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And that just makes a lot of big.

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Convolution about learning from cultures because that’s more
the former background about cultural, social anthropology.

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My parents are from CIDA.

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I’m from Germany and I love travel always.

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And to learn from different cultures, I
was asking the question, what is, what

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is like in common to different religions?

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Why do people in south America have mermaids to yeah.

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Talk about things that I thought this would only
happen in European fairytales or yeah, different

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stories about how the world works together and
seeing that in different parts of the world that

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coming like to the same or similar conclusions.

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And it was like my, my interest.

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So to get this together in my mind, to get them to buy
experiences and half Minoso and woven psychedelics,

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especially in south America, medicine, plants, and yeah.

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Making my mind out of.

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Life is and what we’re doing here.

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And what’s the best thing to do moving
forward to trying to be a good human somehow.

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And I, I have no family.

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I have my family as my brother and my mom and my friends.

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And so like relationships itself has shaped those in my
way, very deeply because the questions about meaning of

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life was always kind of related to love in the sense.

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And what is human love?

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What is like the spirit.

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Love that has no, no boundaries or no exclusivity.

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So that was some, some guiding questions of my life.

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Like, why does love has to be like exclusive if you
love someone, you know, why you can’t love someone else.

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And then it comes jealousy and anger and feelings of.

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You can’t do something or what is freedom to love or not.

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So those are kind of inspired a bit of the good OTPs.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, why do you do what you do?

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Oh, I kind of had like a cut with, with academia,
with scientific exploration because it had kind of

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some, some limits for, for what I was searching.

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In the past, I was very much into, into science and getting
a knowledge about consciousness studies, which gave me

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like a lot of information, how my mind actually works.

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And therefore you’re constantly involved with your mind with
your consciousness, examining what the consciousness does.

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So it’s a very close loop and gives you a lot
of concepts was actually, as you get into a

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lot of projections, you know, You see your
mind and your mind is what do you perceive?

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You know, and especially if you go into symbology,
archetypes and stuff like that becomes very interesting

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too, to see how different shapes, as, as I said,
come together from different cultures, different

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patterns, always repeat in different stories and stuff.

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So my main interest was really like this curiosity
about how the world works and therefore I was doing.

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And in the past, I mean, I can go even fall
back because, uh, one event in my life was very

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hard and shaped my life very deeply because
of my father committed suicide when I was 14.

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And then it was like a lot of survival mode.

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I became.

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The, the father role in the family, because it was the
older one, just from one day to the other was adult.

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So my mom wouldn’t ask me anymore when to come home.

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So I was 14 and I was fully responsible for my life.

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And then the question was so into the phase, you
know, what’s life, what’s the meaning of life.

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No.

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If your father commit suicide, something, you ask
yourself like, really, what the hell are you doing here?

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You know, and psychology.

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And youngian psychology to say that these questions
are usually come when you really are about to die,

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you know, after your past the fifties and so on.

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And you ask yourself, oh my God, what did I do with my life?

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So these questions came from me when I was four.

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And there was like interest into philosophy and because
of my mom and it was my dad who was always interested into

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holistic healing methods, that was my part father’s side.

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And my mom has had always like a spiritual connection
to say like very special dreams and stuff like that.

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And after I did my school, I went to south America and it
really was this wish to it to explore this meaning of life.

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Is it the chairman’s and verifications and
learn the Bart Reiki, healing arts with,

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with hands and energy, which are open up.

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Shuja the dimension of perception and of
beings, which at that time was like experience.

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But I couldn’t even make my mind out of it.

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Like really understand this in a coherent worldview, these
experiences have spent like very deeply, so shaping my life.

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In various ways because they are now
shaping very much on what I read is covering

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now also from the Buddhist knowledge.

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So one hand the death of my father and the
reflection about death and the meaning of life.

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Put me on a track to ask philosophy, spirituality
and stuff like that about this meaning of

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life, which led me to a lot of experiences and
that experiences, I couldn’t explain myself.

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And then I went to start.

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Actually I wanted to do photography and traveling around,
and that’s why I thought anthropology would be nice.

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But there was this professor that was
teaching consciousness and religion studies.

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I was like, wow, that’s my failure.

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There I’ll have more answers.

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Uh, so I started under him, became his tutor and
he, my mentor, but then he died 2013 from cancer.

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And after the three months after that, the skeptics came.

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Like, it’s like a self named police
against, uh, bad scientific behavior.

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You could say because of some of the students did
really not a good job on their thesis, but they just

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want to have a safe worldview that everything is
just material and everything has cause and effect.

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So there was an article in the news that
was different meeting, very much his

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work or the fellowship that he creates.

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And that led me to, uh, study material like
materialistic worldview, which in turn led

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me to ask about the philosophy of science.

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How do you actually get to know what your no, no, it
wasn’t a thesis and this led me to system science systems.

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Science led me back to consciousness
and I’m actually going through this.

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Institutions of consciousness studies discovering
myself again, the actual, like the deep longing

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was actually going back more to spirituality.

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So, but two years ago I had a very
deep cut so of my life, which are.

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Kind of very provocative posts like this, this cat, which
color polluted me in various ways to say, okay, stop.

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I won’t do this work anymore.

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I don’t know what I’m gonna do, but I’m just noticing that
I forgot very much about myself because it became like

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very ambitious on the career of being someone important,
flying around and doing conferences and stuff like that.

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Um, Yeah.

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The last year hours as it together was,
uh, who is a girl that was American.

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And we got together John to, to open up
a holistic healing center in Germany.

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And she was on America.

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That was also the way we could stay together and to
then came Colbert and the relationship didn’t work out.

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And Dan, I said, okay, . And it is a very old wish that
I had to go like to a monastery or something like that.

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I was always like, the ones have to do this.

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I didn’t know, like a deep sense of very often
telling like my girlfriends, like, you know,

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at some point I to, I would have to go to, to
the spiritual path, you know, I don’t know.

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I always had this in my mind that I had to do this.

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So, and now I’m in a Buddhist center.

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I’m finding this.

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And the is very much at home, sometimes a bit impatience
because it’s a lot of discipline, but it’s in Europe.

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So it’s nice too, that you don’t have this
harsh, harsh discipline as you would have

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in India of napalm and stuff like that.

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And having COVID passed in here was also very nice ambiance.

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And meanwhile, I also wrote a book.

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Okay.

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With two other guys about sex, masculinity and God, where
is his tackling actually in a conversation very much

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this question about the exclusivity of love, the sexual
drive, like the very unconsciousness doing around mating

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relationships, but also what does it do with ethics?

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You know, if you’re true to yourself, You’re feeling
for someone else, but you’re in a relationship.

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What does it mean to very philosophical questions?

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To a, like what has life and death actually in
common, it was very deep investigation and out

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of one of the institutions that I’ve, co-founded
the academy of consciousness, research of

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Vienna, there’s still a book to be finished.

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Yeah, it took me a while, but we are now not
very good, good run that it could really finish.

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There were, I think, 12 people involved in that.

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I’m very happy.

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To be able to present these findings in a upper way.

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Unfortunately it will be in German.

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The other one is in English.

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Yeah.

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You’ve talked about having, gotten into
consciousness science from different perspectives.

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So what’s your conclusion thoughts far?

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Like what’s the essence of what
your conclusion is at the moment?

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I think the best way I could summarize.

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Is, uh, actually in niches words, nature, uh, RO like
the three, three metamorphoses of the mind where he

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said in the beginning that the mind is like a camera.

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It takes like all the heavy load and the more you thrive.

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To know something, you know, you take the burdens to go
into the desert and you have patience and you carry heavy

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load and you go on maybe in a caravan and you have some,
some companions did you go with, and you make it like

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for one Oasis to the other to really get to thirst stilt.

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And the second turning is a to become a lion.

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The lion is the one.

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Yeah.

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That doesn’t ask any more.

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What should I, but turns the values
around and say, what do I want?

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He becomes like the, the power, the, the,
how to say that the king of the desert.

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And he is that the one that creates the values
while he’s fighting the dragon that has on his.

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Or the values written in.

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And, uh, then you ask about what
is the third change from Mike?

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What is the third metamorphoses, but the mine
condense and it is the chart to say yes to life

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and to look at it openly as everyday new, as you
would know nothing again and summarizes very much.

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You know, I could tell like the story of one professor
that was studying in Ireland, a very, very tiny island.

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And he said to me, you know, whenever I, my PhD thesis
about this island, I knew exactly how those islands worked.

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He was anthropologist and ask him who have one checked
into economy, politics, religion, and stuff like that.

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And I said after 10 years, I was
like, yeah, I don’t really get it.

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What’s happening there and now I’m starting
this and in about 40 years, I have no idea.

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Okay.

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So it says how you feel about consciousness.

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You know, you can say a lot about first
perception, you have your sensors and out of

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your senses, you make a distinction to say that.

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Something.

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And that moment you have like a second level that creates
time because you got a friction of a moment that you

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realized that that is something to a moment which is not.

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And then what is something is usually charged
with emotion, with a judgment to say, I mean,

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it’s even a judgment to say this is a laptop, you
know, and, uh, you might even have a heavy charge.

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Emotionally charged perception and say, wow, that’s
a very beautiful laptop know, or it’s even my laptop.

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You know?

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So, so this is like the first
notion where we create meaning.

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And if we repeatedly have this notion of time
that we put together, that we have experienced

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something before and judged, this is that, then
we have something that creates the world of ideas.

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I would say it’s simply.

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We have words, you know, suddenly, you know, what a
laptop is without knowing how my laptop is looking like,

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because, you know, you have seen a lot of laptops, you
know, and each time frame that you recognize and said,

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this is a laptop, you would now have an image of that.

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That’s what a laptop is.

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And this creates a.

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Consciousness around things that are not
actually in time and place of your senses, which

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is a very interesting consciousness itself.

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And then we have like the next notion where
we put all these ideas together into, into.

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Uh, proximity, you know, we can say with a
laptop is, is usually the table to the table.

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There’s like the floor and to the floor, like
the walls around the wars, it’s the house, you

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know, so everything’s kind of next to each other.

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And we put like system of thoughts together, and
this system of thoughts can go so around, sorry.

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You know, when we say we have these rules among
the words that we have and the things that are

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close to each other, make a set of rules so
that this conglomerate of ideas stay together.

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And that’s how religion works.

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That’s how companies work.

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That’s how there was like a boundary around an approximate.

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That is one, a localized, but extends
over time and space through the ideas.

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And in this level we have like various levels.

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One is like, you know, very short in time and
the other ones are very long in time and they

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can be that long that are close to infinity.

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And this is when we come to a
symbolic order of the universe.

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In an archetypal and symbolic meanings, things
repeat each other in different notions of

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time and patterns throughout the creation of
their ideas, which are reflected in our minds.

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And interestingly enough, through all the times that had the
capacity of building up a civilization to, to project us.

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Yeah.

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And, um, Beyond beyond that, there’s not much more
either when you really are trying to unfold different.

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Um, and here, even, even words are very difficult because
you’re already in symbolic order, which, which on one

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hand has to be also sound has to be also color, has to
be also movement has to be able to shape, has to be also.

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Understood, not from a conceptual framework of
knowing what it is, but there’s so having one at

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the system of thought, but at the same time, no
concept of feeling to be able to fear with that

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concept, but having the system of thoughts in mind.

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And this is a very interesting fear.

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Yeah.

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And beyond that, there is the mind.

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Yeah.

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Is able to embrace all of that, whether it’s just
nothingness, there is, there are two kinds of nothingness,

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one, the one nothingness that is like the dark void.

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It’s like shit there.

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So really nothing.

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It’s a very uncomfortable place to be.

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And, um, there is the wall.

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Then it’s actually not nothing like of a
shitty place, but actually a very beautiful

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place because it is filled with compassion.

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So there’s nothing there’s, it’s just always described as
a pure light or as God, or as emptiness and compassionate

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at the same time for the Buddhist or as the bliss
for being, you know, and there’s the question of, so

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how much or how clear that is in between associates?

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The, the experience of the flight itself, like in its
colors, but it is so beyond the colors or one fear

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that is, you could say without color, you know, if
you have like a prism which divides all the colors,

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you just go behind that, you know, we always see.

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You know, we don’t see light.

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It’s not something that you can perceive.

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It’s something that is all the
time, but it’s be beyond the veil.

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You know, it’s beyond this prison that
spreads out the light and its spectrum.

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So, so, um, basically this is what this
concept that you were talking about.

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The way on this stuff.

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It’s not only Buddhist.

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It was, I assume, highly influenced from system science.

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I mean, they come very close to Buddhist and the scientists.

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That’s why they are very friendly to each other.

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But at the end, if you take like the.

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Or any, any symbolic order, you know, like
Freemasonry are those, I mean, that’s where the most.

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No, but there’s a very dangerous
culture is very rich on that.

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But if you go to the undone cosmology, You can go into that.

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They don’t have much to notion about this
ultimate stages, but actually they have some,

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some of them, but it’s not very much recorded.

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You also have this in native American traditions.

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If you have to talk about the great mystery and the great
father and stuff like that, great mystery is like, goes to

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this world where it is nothing, but everything comes out
of it and the different notions, but it important so ways

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in this traditions are really like this, that the heart.

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You know, to not go into a dog, voidness put
into a light voidness where you can hold and do

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want to contribute to, to the life-giving forces.

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Even though things die, but to the psychosis itself.

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Yeah.

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Maybe just for those listeners who don’t know
anything about these things, we’re basically talking

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about the nature of reality, at least from different
traditions than the classical Western front.

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Let’s put it that way.

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And it’s, it’s, it’s has a different
perspective on the nature of reality.

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So then what we are used to in the west, at least
just to sum it up in a way, I mean to, yeah.

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To give it up also some, some, some
scientific background, I mean, because wow.

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Major one major question right
now is like this quantum physics.

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You know, when I was in this other Institute, it was a lot
of bad convergence about quantum physics and psychology

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that you can’t distinguish the observer from the observed.

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They have an effect to each other because the
experiment always changes if someone looks at it.

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So then the hard materialists have to look into the
psychologist because there’s something going on with them.

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And the second thing that late to this question
is actually coming from system science.

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And here I have to point out the little man
on the firsthand, but also just Spencer brown.

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And they have taking up like the key
formations for this kind of thinking.

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But as if you’re looking to count, you know,
he, at the end, he said, well, what do you know.

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Is what you are, but actually it’s more about what do
you imagine that becomes like more important at the end?

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And I mean, from, from a very down to earth perspective
to say, to, to bring it down to earth, we always think

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that things are very separate from, from ourself.

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And then the things doesn’t have much
influence on how we feel and what we do.

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Well, we think, but there are some, some pros from
science that are doing like this research on how

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you change water molecules or with your emotionality
and your wording, or how to change are random

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generators, like machines set two random numbers
and put an intention to change the randomness.

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So some intention is there in the mind
that has influenced even on machines and.

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If you think about your mom, you know, and she
calls you, these are like small things where we’re

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love, shows a connection that is very visible.

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So there’s only some hints, but you can
always ask yourself, like with, if your

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dream, which eyes are seeing was your, see?

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Yeah.

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You have a dream, you see a six, what are
the eyes that are looking at these two hymns?

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Yeah.

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I’m really interested in the book, your roles.

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And could you elaborate a bit on that?

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It’s a, what is it called?

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Sex masculinity and God.

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Thanks, masculinity and God.

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Exactly.

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The book was first introduced by cadet last as an
idea to me because I met him and we talked about his

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philosopher and she talked about like, what’s the real
in philosophy, you know, w we’re getting all these ideas.

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You know, we talk all the time about these ideas
in philosophy, but what’s the real, you know,

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where we can base a philosophy in the real.

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And there is nothing.

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May I ask you, do you mean round it to you?

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Or what do you mean by the real, because philosophy is
a first, for example, I think about thinking and how

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thinking works with the sinking and sinking, you know?

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So they got like into a loop where the.

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The world of ideas is explored, but when it
comes to daily life, then we get into trouble,

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you know, because we have relationships because
we’re feelings and stuff like that, you know?

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So his question was very much about how
can we put philosophy back down to earth,

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you know, to, to what matters to them.

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No, not about some Elitek or thinking about, you know,
where it doesn’t really matter to everyday life, you know?

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W where are the people, what is what’s what’s really matter?

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You know, and what everybody is kind of involved
into is sex, you know, sex and food maybe, and

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sleeping, you know, that’s some basic needs, but
actually almost nobody talks and philosophy about sex.

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And this is something really, I mean, wow.

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Almost no, the philosopher talks about texts, but
then take on and it’s Freud and stuff like that.

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And from this discussion, and he said, he’s going
to invite a third person that is, uh, Kevin aura.

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And he is coaches for masculinity.

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And it’s very much in our popular Abad, Rudy
empowering man in their masculinity because we have so.

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God liked the feeling that, especially in
academics, fear nerd, you’re not allowed to be

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a math man really anymore, because there was
a lot of, um, awareness about rapist culture.

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So the book actually, yeah.

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Setting up the question about attraction and it’s like
bit of the luck of irritation of temporary masculinity.

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And I’m guessing I actually, in a deep dive about
psychological development that comes out of the

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day direction that gives you on consciousness and
the deepest desires that are leading actually the

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consciousness and your movement through the world.

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And how does it relate to, to ethics?

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How does it relate to archetypes of different colleges?

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How does it relate to the absolute truth
to the absolute love and the relative work?

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You know, how do we really find each other in
relationship to, you know, how can we be true to ourself?

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What is truth at all?

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Um, It describes a bit of this path that you go through a
desire through a learning process to uncover what has been

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unconscious to the consciousness and very down to earth
through the question about what is sex, what is death?

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What is love?

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What is ethics?

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What is real?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So that was the attempt to really
make a conversation out of like.

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Kind of lost Kevin ROS and me to have like, just try
logs, we call it that to uncover like what really

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matters, you know, relationship loss, our desires
for, for the other half, you know, to say, so what’s.

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What’s happening.

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There is no half anymore.

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And the book has been written by the three of you
or is it one of you has written it and it’s, it was

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created out of these conversations that you had.

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How was it?

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It started to through online conversations
that has been streamed on Facebook.

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And that was transcribed and re-edited, and we had a second
row where we had like 10 of these episodes again, to revisit

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this 10 chapters, these 10 episodes, and is now in the
process to be re edited as the second edition of the book.

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Additionally, two to the 10 chapters that we had
before it’s coming like a redefined version with.

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Interesting three years for the three of us, you
know, going through a lot of processes emotionally.

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So on a personal side and intellectually,
that was like a very wonderful journey to have

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a ride with these gentleman’s kind of lost.

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And Kevin Aras, basically giving a workshop and a talk
on the Europeans man’s gathering in the summer in, in

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Denmark and, um, a little bit very interesting too.

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And we got a really good feedback so far from people.

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So we’ll see.

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And so please tell me, um, what paradigms do
you think need to be challenged in a world

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today when it comes to consciousness or anything
else that is related to what you work on?

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I mean, the first thing that has to.

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Well, it’d be changed in the mind of the people is that we
depend on each other, you know, we’ll, I like the nature

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of you put something out the next two, it will also die.

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So you, you can’t survive.

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If you just want to survive for yourself, you always
have to make the whole thing, be able to survive.

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So the very first change of mine has to happen.

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I think, in science to not see things as separate and not.

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Hmm.

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Investigating them separately.

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I mean, there’s a very good approach to see how
things function because you put something out, you

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know, it’s like your buddy, you know, Y you have a
lag to the point where you’re really noticing it.

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It’s when it hurts or when you don’t have it anymore.

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I know then you have the appreciation.

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That’s usually like science works, you know,
that you put just a piece out, but actually

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the, you examined on the piece and at the whole.

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No.

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So how this whole body works is very complicated and you
have to take the piece out, but look, the PSA to took out.

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Look, the thing that is the holes, you
know, and this is relates to the human body.

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So need holistic medicine that relates to our ecology,
our relationship to ecology and nature, and also how

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we are together as a community, as a social being
and all the political system that comes behind.

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Next thing that has to be changed is really to
make an education that allows people to grow

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for one hand, for compassion and for freedom.

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You know, we don’t learn among these values anymore.

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You know, we’ll learn how to be better and competitive and,
um, hopefully to be a better as your neighbor, which doesn’t

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make any sense, we’ll need much more cooperation to be.

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That’s how civilizations grow.

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And as we grow, we need competition to re-examine
ourself and to position ourselves among each other.

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What are my talents?

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But the school system had it working right now.

411
00:34:29,931 –> 00:34:34,821
There’s like you, you’re making like a
machine of a, of a copy that everybody has

412
00:34:34,821 –> 00:34:37,881
to do the same and that’s not worth it.

413
00:34:37,941 –> 00:34:43,041
We need people that expresses individual talents for that.

414
00:34:43,041 –> 00:34:44,541
Some kind of competition.

415
00:34:45,696 –> 00:34:51,396
As well, but actually the competition should be
around what, who does the best, better cooperation?

416
00:34:51,846 –> 00:34:53,436
I mean, yeah.

417
00:34:53,496 –> 00:34:55,986
I mean, this goes into a religion or science or whatever.

418
00:34:56,346 –> 00:34:58,436
I think there’s so much knowledge that we can grasp.

419
00:34:58,536 –> 00:35:04,596
So from our internet that we don’t need to
learn some new things by heart, in our brain.

420
00:35:05,166 –> 00:35:11,196
We have to learn much more about our
emotions, about how to use our mind.

421
00:35:11,286 –> 00:35:13,946
Probably not only learning by repeating.

422
00:35:15,051 –> 00:35:23,331
But how to get inside, you know, how to have a perception,
how to, and this is also very much to actually Hindu

423
00:35:23,331 –> 00:35:28,461
is the yoga tradition like to Masa really the body.

424
00:35:28,911 –> 00:35:34,821
This is actually something that is very much
needed in the west, as well as an east is much

425
00:35:35,031 –> 00:35:41,601
needed to have technology and proper discipline
on a technological side and organizational.

426
00:35:42,726 –> 00:35:46,926
To allow a social beings, social security, stuff like that.

427
00:35:46,946 –> 00:35:47,126
Yeah.

428
00:35:47,486 –> 00:35:47,726
Yeah.

429
00:35:47,756 –> 00:35:56,726
I mean, the paradigm is from, from the small that’s
me and that’s I, and I need this to, how can we make

430
00:35:56,726 –> 00:36:02,126
this together another way to make it together and
even scientifically makes it doesn’t make any sense

431
00:36:02,126 –> 00:36:05,666
that all spiritual traditions are talking about this.

432
00:36:06,621 –> 00:36:14,031
I will send the narrow scientific mind to separate
all the things is just, yeah, it doesn’t need to

433
00:36:14,031 –> 00:36:20,571
anyway, just putting things apart, apart about a
thought and not finding anything and putting things.

434
00:36:23,592 –> 00:36:29,472
if you imagine 100 years from now, when people
look back and think of you, your grandchildren,

435
00:36:29,472 –> 00:36:32,442
for example, what do you want to be remembered for?

436
00:36:32,742 –> 00:36:35,852
Ah, good question for my grandchildren.

437
00:36:36,122 –> 00:36:40,042
I wish that I would tell them good stories that inspire.

438
00:36:40,502 –> 00:36:46,172
Uh, I think I had a granddad that told me
a lot of good values and great stories.

439
00:36:46,712 –> 00:36:47,282
I have to.

440
00:36:48,237 –> 00:36:55,827
Follow this example to be, at least for my grandchildren,
uh, loved her stories to be a granddad that really has

441
00:36:56,007 –> 00:36:59,877
time for them that can teach them about life lessons.

442
00:37:00,327 –> 00:37:00,567
Yeah.

443
00:37:00,857 –> 00:37:08,037
Give them some directions so that they might
remember me as someone that know like a role model.

444
00:37:08,427 –> 00:37:08,487
Yeah.

445
00:37:09,792 –> 00:37:10,182
Great.

446
00:37:10,602 –> 00:37:11,382
Thank you very much.

447
00:37:11,832 –> 00:37:17,022
Thank you for taking your time and
being here and wish you a great day.

448
00:37:17,052 –> 00:37:17,472
Thank you.

449
00:37:19,442 –> 00:37:19,862
Thank you.

450
00:37:19,982 –> 00:37:20,462
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