July 21, 2021 xerxes

In this interview Daniel Dick talks about the convergence of consciousness and science.

About Daniel Dick

Daniel´s life has been full of changes, deep transformations and personal teachings in his private and professional life.

Daniel was born into a family in which spirituality and medicine has been a daily experience. He has been always in touch with the belief in the Go(o)d and with a tremendous curiosity. Extensive travel experiences, especially through South America, led him to discover the realms of Shamanism, Alternative Medicine and mystical experiences. Personal relationships and the destiny gave him some ruff teachings on life and death, which empowered his quest of creating meaning to life even more and arise a few times from the ashes. Daniel’s professions have been in research and educational institutions related to system science, consciousness research, anthropology, holistic medicine, consultancy and management and sexual pedagogy.

Basically, his interests have been to make sense about experiences and human life, and to help others to move to a meaningful and healthy co-creation.

This led him to explore cultures, different spiritual paths, and holistic healing techniques as well as altered states of consciousness, such as intuition, meditation and trance. He explored Buddhist traditions, like Zen and Vipassana, Vajrayana, Mindfulness, and different kinds of shamanism and guided meditative practices. He has a fable for sacred or mythological texts like the bible, the Daodejing …  and is as well-trained up to a Reiki Master.

Daniel’s student life has been paralleled by feminist ideas, and emancipatory approaches. He got sensitized to sociopolitical environments and self-organization in education, especially in the University.

He organized several conferences and symposia as well as organizations self-organizing system principles.

Besides of that, he loves the peaks of the mountain, the waves of the sea, strong espresso, selected music and good time with friends and wine.

Website

www.daniel-dick.com

Book

www.Sexmasculinitygod.com

Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf3SbDd23jmgrL733miBBCg

 

 

Transcript of the Interview

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Welcome to challenging paradigm X.

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How can we understand consciousness and the nature of
reality from the scientific and spiritual perspective.

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Do we need science to become more holistic and
our competition and cooperation opposites.

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My guest today is Daniel Dick.

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He has a background in system science Consciousness
research anthropology, holistic medicine, sexual

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pedagogy, and consultancy and management.

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He’s driven by his curiosity and extensively
traveled to explore various cultures, different

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spiritual paths and holistic healing techniques,
as well as altered states of consciousness

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makes sense about experiences and human diet.

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He helps others to move to a meaningful and healthy
co-creation and he organized several conferences

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and symposia around his topics is also a co-author
of the book, sex, masculinity, and goals.

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So if you’re interested to find out more about
his understanding of consciousness from a

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scientific and spiritual perspective, stay tuned.

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Hello, Danielle, I’m happy to have you hear my podcast.

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Uh, please introduce yourself.

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Who are you and what do you do?

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Hi.

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Nice to see you again.

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My name is Daniel, Daniel, and Dick.

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I have like different facets right now.

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I’m in a Buddhist center, practicing Tibetan, Buddhism
as like my main thing here in the COVID times.

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What’s the best thing to really
go into retreat and go inside.

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And.

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Having spent much time in the garden.

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And meanwhile, we’re working on some
publications, some projects to finish.

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So I’ve been author before coming here.

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I was much more into organizing
institutions around consciousness.

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And I co-founded two institutions around consciousness
studies and I have been many years in system science.

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So my, my past has been very much their academic
career, trying to combine one hand, you know,

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consciousness, spirituality, knowledge about, about
the mind, about how does a world actually work.

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If we.

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See them as something that we are able to get to know.

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So that was like my, my academic path
coming from social contract anthropology.

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I always focusing religion and consciousness
studies and the bone I, like I said, doing

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photography, but that’s only on the side.

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This has been like my main amateur.

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I have noticed a bit in consulting.

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So bit into hardest copy, especially
the mine, the mine system on.

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Enthusiastic about the Mayan calendar
and teach some people about that.

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And privately or south Panola was kind of involved
into like healing arts, like holistic healing arts, and

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trying OSA to, to combine this with the signs that I had.

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I wanted to do a PhD about that, but actually
no work out and it was better like that.

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And that just makes a lot of big.

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Convolution about learning from cultures because that’s more
the former background about cultural, social anthropology.

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My parents are from CIDA.

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I’m from Germany and I love travel always.

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And to learn from different cultures, I
was asking the question, what is, what

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is like in common to different religions?

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Why do people in south America have mermaids to yeah.

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Talk about things that I thought this would only
happen in European fairytales or yeah, different

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stories about how the world works together and
seeing that in different parts of the world that

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coming like to the same or similar conclusions.

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And it was like my, my interest.

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So to get this together in my mind, to get them to buy
experiences and half Minoso and woven psychedelics,

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especially in south America, medicine, plants, and yeah.

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Making my mind out of.

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Life is and what we’re doing here.

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And what’s the best thing to do moving
forward to trying to be a good human somehow.

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And I, I have no family.

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I have my family as my brother and my mom and my friends.

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And so like relationships itself has shaped those in my
way, very deeply because the questions about meaning of

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life was always kind of related to love in the sense.

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And what is human love?

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What is like the spirit.

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Love that has no, no boundaries or no exclusivity.

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So that was some, some guiding questions of my life.

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Like, why does love has to be like exclusive if you
love someone, you know, why you can’t love someone else.

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And then it comes jealousy and anger and feelings of.

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You can’t do something or what is freedom to love or not.

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So those are kind of inspired a bit of the good OTPs.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, why do you do what you do?

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Oh, I kind of had like a cut with, with academia,
with scientific exploration because it had kind of

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some, some limits for, for what I was searching.

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In the past, I was very much into, into science and getting
a knowledge about consciousness studies, which gave me

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like a lot of information, how my mind actually works.

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And therefore you’re constantly involved with your mind with
your consciousness, examining what the consciousness does.

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So it’s a very close loop and gives you a lot
of concepts was actually, as you get into a

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lot of projections, you know, You see your
mind and your mind is what do you perceive?

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You know, and especially if you go into symbology,
archetypes and stuff like that becomes very interesting

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too, to see how different shapes, as, as I said,
come together from different cultures, different

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patterns, always repeat in different stories and stuff.

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So my main interest was really like this curiosity
about how the world works and therefore I was doing.

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And in the past, I mean, I can go even fall
back because, uh, one event in my life was very

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hard and shaped my life very deeply because
of my father committed suicide when I was 14.

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And then it was like a lot of survival mode.

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I became.

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The, the father role in the family, because it was the
older one, just from one day to the other was adult.

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So my mom wouldn’t ask me anymore when to come home.

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So I was 14 and I was fully responsible for my life.

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And then the question was so into the phase, you
know, what’s life, what’s the meaning of life.

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No.

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If your father commit suicide, something, you ask
yourself like, really, what the hell are you doing here?

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You know, and psychology.

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And youngian psychology to say that these questions
are usually come when you really are about to die,

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you know, after your past the fifties and so on.

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And you ask yourself, oh my God, what did I do with my life?

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So these questions came from me when I was four.

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And there was like interest into philosophy and because
of my mom and it was my dad who was always interested into

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holistic healing methods, that was my part father’s side.

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And my mom has had always like a spiritual connection
to say like very special dreams and stuff like that.

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And after I did my school, I went to south America and it
really was this wish to it to explore this meaning of life.

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Is it the chairman’s and verifications and
learn the Bart Reiki, healing arts with,

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with hands and energy, which are open up.

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Shuja the dimension of perception and of
beings, which at that time was like experience.

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But I couldn’t even make my mind out of it.

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Like really understand this in a coherent worldview, these
experiences have spent like very deeply, so shaping my life.

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In various ways because they are now
shaping very much on what I read is covering

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now also from the Buddhist knowledge.

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So one hand the death of my father and the
reflection about death and the meaning of life.

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Put me on a track to ask philosophy, spirituality
and stuff like that about this meaning of

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life, which led me to a lot of experiences and
that experiences, I couldn’t explain myself.

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And then I went to start.

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Actually I wanted to do photography and traveling around,
and that’s why I thought anthropology would be nice.

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But there was this professor that was
teaching consciousness and religion studies.

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I was like, wow, that’s my failure.

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There I’ll have more answers.

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Uh, so I started under him, became his tutor and
he, my mentor, but then he died 2013 from cancer.

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And after the three months after that, the skeptics came.

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Like, it’s like a self named police
against, uh, bad scientific behavior.

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You could say because of some of the students did
really not a good job on their thesis, but they just

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want to have a safe worldview that everything is
just material and everything has cause and effect.

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So there was an article in the news that
was different meeting, very much his

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work or the fellowship that he creates.

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And that led me to, uh, study material like
materialistic worldview, which in turn led

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me to ask about the philosophy of science.

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How do you actually get to know what your no, no, it
wasn’t a thesis and this led me to system science systems.

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Science led me back to consciousness
and I’m actually going through this.

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Institutions of consciousness studies discovering
myself again, the actual, like the deep longing

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was actually going back more to spirituality.

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So, but two years ago I had a very
deep cut so of my life, which are.

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Kind of very provocative posts like this, this cat, which
color polluted me in various ways to say, okay, stop.

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I won’t do this work anymore.

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I don’t know what I’m gonna do, but I’m just noticing that
I forgot very much about myself because it became like

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very ambitious on the career of being someone important,
flying around and doing conferences and stuff like that.

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Um, Yeah.

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The last year hours as it together was,
uh, who is a girl that was American.

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And we got together John to, to open up
a holistic healing center in Germany.

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And she was on America.

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That was also the way we could stay together and to
then came Colbert and the relationship didn’t work out.

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And Dan, I said, okay, . And it is a very old wish that
I had to go like to a monastery or something like that.

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I was always like, the ones have to do this.

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I didn’t know, like a deep sense of very often
telling like my girlfriends, like, you know,

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at some point I to, I would have to go to, to
the spiritual path, you know, I don’t know.

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I always had this in my mind that I had to do this.

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So, and now I’m in a Buddhist center.

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I’m finding this.

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And the is very much at home, sometimes a bit impatience
because it’s a lot of discipline, but it’s in Europe.

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So it’s nice too, that you don’t have this
harsh, harsh discipline as you would have

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in India of napalm and stuff like that.

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And having COVID passed in here was also very nice ambiance.

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And meanwhile, I also wrote a book.

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Okay.

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With two other guys about sex, masculinity and God, where
is his tackling actually in a conversation very much

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this question about the exclusivity of love, the sexual
drive, like the very unconsciousness doing around mating

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relationships, but also what does it do with ethics?

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You know, if you’re true to yourself, You’re feeling
for someone else, but you’re in a relationship.

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What does it mean to very philosophical questions?

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To a, like what has life and death actually in
common, it was very deep investigation and out

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of one of the institutions that I’ve, co-founded
the academy of consciousness, research of

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Vienna, there’s still a book to be finished.

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Yeah, it took me a while, but we are now not
very good, good run that it could really finish.

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There were, I think, 12 people involved in that.

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I’m very happy.

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To be able to present these findings in a upper way.

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Unfortunately it will be in German.

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The other one is in English.

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Yeah.

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You’ve talked about having, gotten into
consciousness science from different perspectives.

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So what’s your conclusion thoughts far?

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Like what’s the essence of what
your conclusion is at the moment?

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I think the best way I could summarize.

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Is, uh, actually in niches words, nature, uh, RO like
the three, three metamorphoses of the mind where he

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said in the beginning that the mind is like a camera.

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It takes like all the heavy load and the more you thrive.

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To know something, you know, you take the burdens to go
into the desert and you have patience and you carry heavy

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load and you go on maybe in a caravan and you have some,
some companions did you go with, and you make it like

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for one Oasis to the other to really get to thirst stilt.

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And the second turning is a to become a lion.

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The lion is the one.

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Yeah.

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That doesn’t ask any more.

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What should I, but turns the values
around and say, what do I want?

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He becomes like the, the power, the, the,
how to say that the king of the desert.

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And he is that the one that creates the values
while he’s fighting the dragon that has on his.

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Or the values written in.

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And, uh, then you ask about what
is the third change from Mike?

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What is the third metamorphoses, but the mine
condense and it is the chart to say yes to life

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and to look at it openly as everyday new, as you
would know nothing again and summarizes very much.

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You know, I could tell like the story of one professor
that was studying in Ireland, a very, very tiny island.

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And he said to me, you know, whenever I, my PhD thesis
about this island, I knew exactly how those islands worked.

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He was anthropologist and ask him who have one checked
into economy, politics, religion, and stuff like that.

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And I said after 10 years, I was
like, yeah, I don’t really get it.

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What’s happening there and now I’m starting
this and in about 40 years, I have no idea.

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Okay.

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So it says how you feel about consciousness.

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You know, you can say a lot about first
perception, you have your sensors and out of

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your senses, you make a distinction to say that.

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Something.

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And that moment you have like a second level that creates
time because you got a friction of a moment that you

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realized that that is something to a moment which is not.

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And then what is something is usually charged
with emotion, with a judgment to say, I mean,

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it’s even a judgment to say this is a laptop, you
know, and, uh, you might even have a heavy charge.

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Emotionally charged perception and say, wow, that’s
a very beautiful laptop know, or it’s even my laptop.

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You know?

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So, so this is like the first
notion where we create meaning.

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And if we repeatedly have this notion of time
that we put together, that we have experienced

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something before and judged, this is that, then
we have something that creates the world of ideas.

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I would say it’s simply.

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We have words, you know, suddenly, you know, what a
laptop is without knowing how my laptop is looking like,

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because, you know, you have seen a lot of laptops, you
know, and each time frame that you recognize and said,

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this is a laptop, you would now have an image of that.

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That’s what a laptop is.

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And this creates a.

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Consciousness around things that are not
actually in time and place of your senses, which

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is a very interesting consciousness itself.

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And then we have like the next notion where
we put all these ideas together into, into.

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Uh, proximity, you know, we can say with a
laptop is, is usually the table to the table.

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There’s like the floor and to the floor, like
the walls around the wars, it’s the house, you

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know, so everything’s kind of next to each other.

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And we put like system of thoughts together, and
this system of thoughts can go so around, sorry.

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You know, when we say we have these rules among
the words that we have and the things that are

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close to each other, make a set of rules so
that this conglomerate of ideas stay together.

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And that’s how religion works.

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That’s how companies work.

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That’s how there was like a boundary around an approximate.

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That is one, a localized, but extends
over time and space through the ideas.

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And in this level we have like various levels.

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One is like, you know, very short in time and
the other ones are very long in time and they

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can be that long that are close to infinity.

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And this is when we come to a
symbolic order of the universe.

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In an archetypal and symbolic meanings, things
repeat each other in different notions of

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time and patterns throughout the creation of
their ideas, which are reflected in our minds.

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And interestingly enough, through all the times that had the
capacity of building up a civilization to, to project us.

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Yeah.

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And, um, Beyond beyond that, there’s not much more
either when you really are trying to unfold different.

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Um, and here, even, even words are very difficult because
you’re already in symbolic order, which, which on one

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hand has to be also sound has to be also color, has to
be also movement has to be able to shape, has to be also.

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Understood, not from a conceptual framework of
knowing what it is, but there’s so having one at

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the system of thought, but at the same time, no
concept of feeling to be able to fear with that

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concept, but having the system of thoughts in mind.

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And this is a very interesting fear.

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Yeah.

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And beyond that, there is the mind.

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Yeah.

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Is able to embrace all of that, whether it’s just
nothingness, there is, there are two kinds of nothingness,

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one, the one nothingness that is like the dark void.

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It’s like shit there.

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So really nothing.

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It’s a very uncomfortable place to be.

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And, um, there is the wall.

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Then it’s actually not nothing like of a
shitty place, but actually a very beautiful

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place because it is filled with compassion.

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So there’s nothing there’s, it’s just always described as
a pure light or as God, or as emptiness and compassionate

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at the same time for the Buddhist or as the bliss
for being, you know, and there’s the question of, so

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how much or how clear that is in between associates?

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The, the experience of the flight itself, like in its
colors, but it is so beyond the colors or one fear

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that is, you could say without color, you know, if
you have like a prism which divides all the colors,

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you just go behind that, you know, we always see.

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You know, we don’t see light.

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It’s not something that you can perceive.

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It’s something that is all the
time, but it’s be beyond the veil.

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You know, it’s beyond this prison that
spreads out the light and its spectrum.

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So, so, um, basically this is what this
concept that you were talking about.

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The way on this stuff.

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It’s not only Buddhist.

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It was, I assume, highly influenced from system science.

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I mean, they come very close to Buddhist and the scientists.

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That’s why they are very friendly to each other.

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But at the end, if you take like the.

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Or any, any symbolic order, you know, like
Freemasonry are those, I mean, that’s where the most.

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No, but there’s a very dangerous
culture is very rich on that.

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But if you go to the undone cosmology, You can go into that.

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They don’t have much to notion about this
ultimate stages, but actually they have some,

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some of them, but it’s not very much recorded.

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You also have this in native American traditions.

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If you have to talk about the great mystery and the great
father and stuff like that, great mystery is like, goes to

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this world where it is nothing, but everything comes out
of it and the different notions, but it important so ways

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in this traditions are really like this, that the heart.

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You know, to not go into a dog, voidness put
into a light voidness where you can hold and do

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want to contribute to, to the life-giving forces.

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Even though things die, but to the psychosis itself.

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Yeah.

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Maybe just for those listeners who don’t know
anything about these things, we’re basically talking

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about the nature of reality, at least from different
traditions than the classical Western front.

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Let’s put it that way.

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And it’s, it’s, it’s has a different
perspective on the nature of reality.

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So then what we are used to in the west, at least
just to sum it up in a way, I mean to, yeah.

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To give it up also some, some, some
scientific background, I mean, because wow.

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Major one major question right
now is like this quantum physics.

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You know, when I was in this other Institute, it was a lot
of bad convergence about quantum physics and psychology

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that you can’t distinguish the observer from the observed.

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They have an effect to each other because the
experiment always changes if someone looks at it.

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So then the hard materialists have to look into the
psychologist because there’s something going on with them.

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And the second thing that late to this question
is actually coming from system science.

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And here I have to point out the little man
on the firsthand, but also just Spencer brown.

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And they have taking up like the key
formations for this kind of thinking.

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But as if you’re looking to count, you know,
he, at the end, he said, well, what do you know.

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Is what you are, but actually it’s more about what do
you imagine that becomes like more important at the end?

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And I mean, from, from a very down to earth perspective
to say, to, to bring it down to earth, we always think

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that things are very separate from, from ourself.

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And then the things doesn’t have much
influence on how we feel and what we do.

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Well, we think, but there are some, some pros from
science that are doing like this research on how

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you change water molecules or with your emotionality
and your wording, or how to change are random

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generators, like machines set two random numbers
and put an intention to change the randomness.

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So some intention is there in the mind
that has influenced even on machines and.

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If you think about your mom, you know, and she
calls you, these are like small things where we’re

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love, shows a connection that is very visible.

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So there’s only some hints, but you can
always ask yourself, like with, if your

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dream, which eyes are seeing was your, see?

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Yeah.

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You have a dream, you see a six, what are
the eyes that are looking at these two hymns?

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Yeah.

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I’m really interested in the book, your roles.

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And could you elaborate a bit on that?

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It’s a, what is it called?

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Sex masculinity and God.

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Thanks, masculinity and God.

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Exactly.

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The book was first introduced by cadet last as an
idea to me because I met him and we talked about his

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philosopher and she talked about like, what’s the real
in philosophy, you know, w we’re getting all these ideas.

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You know, we talk all the time about these ideas
in philosophy, but what’s the real, you know,

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where we can base a philosophy in the real.

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And there is nothing.

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May I ask you, do you mean round it to you?

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Or what do you mean by the real, because philosophy is
a first, for example, I think about thinking and how

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thinking works with the sinking and sinking, you know?

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So they got like into a loop where the.

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The world of ideas is explored, but when it
comes to daily life, then we get into trouble,

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you know, because we have relationships because
we’re feelings and stuff like that, you know?

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So his question was very much about how
can we put philosophy back down to earth,

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you know, to, to what matters to them.

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No, not about some Elitek or thinking about, you know,
where it doesn’t really matter to everyday life, you know?

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W where are the people, what is what’s what’s really matter?

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You know, and what everybody is kind of involved
into is sex, you know, sex and food maybe, and

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sleeping, you know, that’s some basic needs, but
actually almost nobody talks and philosophy about sex.

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And this is something really, I mean, wow.

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Almost no, the philosopher talks about texts, but
then take on and it’s Freud and stuff like that.

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And from this discussion, and he said, he’s going
to invite a third person that is, uh, Kevin aura.

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And he is coaches for masculinity.

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And it’s very much in our popular Abad, Rudy
empowering man in their masculinity because we have so.

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God liked the feeling that, especially in
academics, fear nerd, you’re not allowed to be

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a math man really anymore, because there was
a lot of, um, awareness about rapist culture.

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So the book actually, yeah.

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Setting up the question about attraction and it’s like
bit of the luck of irritation of temporary masculinity.

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And I’m guessing I actually, in a deep dive about
psychological development that comes out of the

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day direction that gives you on consciousness and
the deepest desires that are leading actually the

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consciousness and your movement through the world.

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And how does it relate to, to ethics?

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How does it relate to archetypes of different colleges?

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How does it relate to the absolute truth
to the absolute love and the relative work?

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You know, how do we really find each other in
relationship to, you know, how can we be true to ourself?

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What is truth at all?

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Um, It describes a bit of this path that you go through a
desire through a learning process to uncover what has been

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unconscious to the consciousness and very down to earth
through the question about what is sex, what is death?

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What is love?

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What is ethics?

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What is real?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So that was the attempt to really
make a conversation out of like.

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Kind of lost Kevin ROS and me to have like, just try
logs, we call it that to uncover like what really

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matters, you know, relationship loss, our desires
for, for the other half, you know, to say, so what’s.

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What’s happening.

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There is no half anymore.

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And the book has been written by the three of you
or is it one of you has written it and it’s, it was

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created out of these conversations that you had.

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How was it?

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It started to through online conversations
that has been streamed on Facebook.

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And that was transcribed and re-edited, and we had a second
row where we had like 10 of these episodes again, to revisit

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this 10 chapters, these 10 episodes, and is now in the
process to be re edited as the second edition of the book.

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Additionally, two to the 10 chapters that we had
before it’s coming like a redefined version with.

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Interesting three years for the three of us, you
know, going through a lot of processes emotionally.

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So on a personal side and intellectually,
that was like a very wonderful journey to have

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a ride with these gentleman’s kind of lost.

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And Kevin Aras, basically giving a workshop and a talk
on the Europeans man’s gathering in the summer in, in

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Denmark and, um, a little bit very interesting too.

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And we got a really good feedback so far from people.

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So we’ll see.

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And so please tell me, um, what paradigms do
you think need to be challenged in a world

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today when it comes to consciousness or anything
else that is related to what you work on?

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I mean, the first thing that has to.

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Well, it’d be changed in the mind of the people is that we
depend on each other, you know, we’ll, I like the nature

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of you put something out the next two, it will also die.

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So you, you can’t survive.

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If you just want to survive for yourself, you always
have to make the whole thing, be able to survive.

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So the very first change of mine has to happen.

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I think, in science to not see things as separate and not.

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Hmm.

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Investigating them separately.

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I mean, there’s a very good approach to see how
things function because you put something out, you

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know, it’s like your buddy, you know, Y you have a
lag to the point where you’re really noticing it.

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It’s when it hurts or when you don’t have it anymore.

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I know then you have the appreciation.

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That’s usually like science works, you know,
that you put just a piece out, but actually

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the, you examined on the piece and at the whole.

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No.

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So how this whole body works is very complicated and you
have to take the piece out, but look, the PSA to took out.

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00:33:30,351 –> 00:33:36,111
Look, the thing that is the holes, you
know, and this is relates to the human body.

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00:33:36,141 –> 00:33:43,251
So need holistic medicine that relates to our ecology,
our relationship to ecology and nature, and also how

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00:33:43,251 –> 00:33:48,411
we are together as a community, as a social being
and all the political system that comes behind.

402
00:33:49,496 –> 00:33:57,156
Next thing that has to be changed is really to
make an education that allows people to grow

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00:33:57,726 –> 00:34:01,746
for one hand, for compassion and for freedom.

404
00:34:01,836 –> 00:34:05,346
You know, we don’t learn among these values anymore.

405
00:34:05,676 –> 00:34:11,346
You know, we’ll learn how to be better and competitive and,
um, hopefully to be a better as your neighbor, which doesn’t

406
00:34:11,346 –> 00:34:14,716
make any sense, we’ll need much more cooperation to be.

407
00:34:16,041 –> 00:34:17,691
That’s how civilizations grow.

408
00:34:17,691 –> 00:34:24,801
And as we grow, we need competition to re-examine
ourself and to position ourselves among each other.

409
00:34:24,951 –> 00:34:26,421
What are my talents?

410
00:34:26,811 –> 00:34:29,751
But the school system had it working right now.

411
00:34:29,931 –> 00:34:34,821
There’s like you, you’re making like a
machine of a, of a copy that everybody has

412
00:34:34,821 –> 00:34:37,881
to do the same and that’s not worth it.

413
00:34:37,941 –> 00:34:43,041
We need people that expresses individual talents for that.

414
00:34:43,041 –> 00:34:44,541
Some kind of competition.

415
00:34:45,696 –> 00:34:51,396
As well, but actually the competition should be
around what, who does the best, better cooperation?

416
00:34:51,846 –> 00:34:53,436
I mean, yeah.

417
00:34:53,496 –> 00:34:55,986
I mean, this goes into a religion or science or whatever.

418
00:34:56,346 –> 00:34:58,436
I think there’s so much knowledge that we can grasp.

419
00:34:58,536 –> 00:35:04,596
So from our internet that we don’t need to
learn some new things by heart, in our brain.

420
00:35:05,166 –> 00:35:11,196
We have to learn much more about our
emotions, about how to use our mind.

421
00:35:11,286 –> 00:35:13,946
Probably not only learning by repeating.

422
00:35:15,051 –> 00:35:23,331
But how to get inside, you know, how to have a perception,
how to, and this is also very much to actually Hindu

423
00:35:23,331 –> 00:35:28,461
is the yoga tradition like to Masa really the body.

424
00:35:28,911 –> 00:35:34,821
This is actually something that is very much
needed in the west, as well as an east is much

425
00:35:35,031 –> 00:35:41,601
needed to have technology and proper discipline
on a technological side and organizational.

426
00:35:42,726 –> 00:35:46,926
To allow a social beings, social security, stuff like that.

427
00:35:46,946 –> 00:35:47,126
Yeah.

428
00:35:47,486 –> 00:35:47,726
Yeah.

429
00:35:47,756 –> 00:35:56,726
I mean, the paradigm is from, from the small that’s
me and that’s I, and I need this to, how can we make

430
00:35:56,726 –> 00:36:02,126
this together another way to make it together and
even scientifically makes it doesn’t make any sense

431
00:36:02,126 –> 00:36:05,666
that all spiritual traditions are talking about this.

432
00:36:06,621 –> 00:36:14,031
I will send the narrow scientific mind to separate
all the things is just, yeah, it doesn’t need to

433
00:36:14,031 –> 00:36:20,571
anyway, just putting things apart, apart about a
thought and not finding anything and putting things.

434
00:36:23,592 –> 00:36:29,472
if you imagine 100 years from now, when people
look back and think of you, your grandchildren,

435
00:36:29,472 –> 00:36:32,442
for example, what do you want to be remembered for?

436
00:36:32,742 –> 00:36:35,852
Ah, good question for my grandchildren.

437
00:36:36,122 –> 00:36:40,042
I wish that I would tell them good stories that inspire.

438
00:36:40,502 –> 00:36:46,172
Uh, I think I had a granddad that told me
a lot of good values and great stories.

439
00:36:46,712 –> 00:36:47,282
I have to.

440
00:36:48,237 –> 00:36:55,827
Follow this example to be, at least for my grandchildren,
uh, loved her stories to be a granddad that really has

441
00:36:56,007 –> 00:36:59,877
time for them that can teach them about life lessons.

442
00:37:00,327 –> 00:37:00,567
Yeah.

443
00:37:00,857 –> 00:37:08,037
Give them some directions so that they might
remember me as someone that know like a role model.

444
00:37:08,427 –> 00:37:08,487
Yeah.

445
00:37:09,792 –> 00:37:10,182
Great.

446
00:37:10,602 –> 00:37:11,382
Thank you very much.

447
00:37:11,832 –> 00:37:17,022
Thank you for taking your time and
being here and wish you a great day.

448
00:37:17,052 –> 00:37:17,472
Thank you.

449
00:37:19,442 –> 00:37:19,862
Thank you.

450
00:37:19,982 –> 00:37:20,462
You’re welcome.

451
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